Which New Pick-Up Is The Best Vehicle To Get?

[ollandroverman]

They're still talking GVW of + 2 tonnes etc being classed as commercial - but then the grey area of dpv of 2040kgs unladen muddies the water.

The boundaries are supposed to be getting cleared up....as not all dpv's are sold into commercial market, but need commercial insurance etc.
But I'm not holding my breath

You seem to be confusing GVW with Unladen weight a little.
My little car has a GVW of over 2 tons.

You don't need commercial (work) insurance if you are purely a domestic owner.. you just need insurance.

 

[ricky_rascal]

Maybe I should have voted to stay in the EU then Germany would have converted all our roads into unlimited speed autobahns in the near future

We've not left, we may die of old age first but anyhoo could you imagine the carnage if our motoways allowed unlimited speed!

 

[Drillman]

We've not left, we may die of old age first but anyhoo could you imagine the carnage if our motoways allowed unlimited speed!

v6 anorak out front, 3.2 Ranger hot on its heels and a 1.9dmax wheezing along at the rear

 

[JCfarmer]

I have ordered an amarok and should get it middle of the month. Bought it from VW Commercial Liverpool as they were over £4000 cheaper than Birmingham for exact same spec. Went to see one in Brum and sit in it talking face to face. They wouldn't do any discount but Liverpool would with special offers they could use from VW and this was over the phone.

 

[Paddington]

Think it was Sir Humphrey in Yes Minister that stated the Germans built the autobahns to invade Poland, the Italians built the autostradas as they had the cars for it and Britain built the M40 to get the Oxford dons to London.

 

[kiwi pom]

Called in at the dealers today and spotted this.

Eye watering price tag though 85k NZ Dollars
Quite like a Mazda myself but not much use to you guys.

 

[Ukjay]

You seem to be confusing GVW with Unladen weight a little.
My little car has a GVW of over 2 tons.

You don't need commercial (work) insurance if you are purely a domestic owner.. you just need insurance.

Maybe - maybe not, as there is two sides to every story of confusion: and you can see various posts n the internet to match both sides of the debate here, as it is still a gray area from what I can read - and even on my Speed Awareness Course, they were not too clued up on what is going to happen.

Also, on leasing sites, you can see this written:

The DVLA classifies ‘car-derived vans and dual purpose vehicles’ as a goods vehicle which is constructed or adapted as a derivative of a passenger vehicle and which has a maximum laden weight not exceeding 2 tonnes.

Which we know is somewhat different to some other literature we can read - thus again it is gray.


Also - I was unable to insure my pickup (from all the companies I have tried) on a normal car insurance policy, it had to be on a commercial policy as it is deemed a commercial vehicle and why one has to buy it from the commercial side of the Dealership from New, but you do not need to trade as a commercial trader to have it insured on a commercial policy, but the policy appears to be a commercial poilicy with other restrictions imposed on it - namely age restrictions for driving vs normal policies etc, as I cannot get my daughter on the policy - but I can on the Disco due to age restrictions imposed.

 

[Tomr10]

We have a 1.9 d max has good towing capacity great on fuel yes it's a little down on power but means you dont go quite as fast. Not as good as our old county of road but so much better on road makes up for it.

 

[Johnnyboxer]

Maybe - maybe not, as there is two sides to every story of confusion: and you can see various posts n the internet to match both sides of the debate here, as it is still a gray area from what I can read - and even on my Speed Awareness Course, they were not too clued up on what is going to happen.

Also, on leasing sites, you can see this written:

The DVLA classifies ‘car-derived vans and dual purpose vehicles’ as a goods vehicle which is constructed or adapted as a derivative of a passenger vehicle and which has a maximum laden weight not exceeding 2 tonnes.

Which we know is somewhat different to some other literature we can read - thus again it is gray.


Also - I was unable to insure my pickup (from all the companies I have tried) on a normal car insurance policy, it had to be on a commercial policy as it is deemed a commercial vehicle and why one has to buy it from the commercial side of the Dealership from New, but you do not need to trade as a commercial trader to have it insured on a commercial policy, but the policy appears to be a commercial poilicy with other restrictions imposed on it - namely age restrictions for driving vs normal policies etc, as I cannot get my daughter on the policy - but I can on the Disco due to age restrictions imposed.

That quote is wrong as the unladen weight for a LGV to quality as a DPV is 2040 kgs or under - in relation to speed limits
It's all on the DVLA website - clear as mud and easy to define
So no grey area

Single cabs don't qualify as you have to a 2nd row of seats, 2 more doors etc

 

[Michael S]

Forget the hilux!
Done nearly 11k miles in a 19 plate invincible X auto .. the engine is gutless, whiney and thirsty. I mean sub 20mpg thirsty ! Fuel tank is too small (£75 to fill ) so you literally live in the petrol station.
Gearbox holds onto a gear for an eternity before deciding to change up, then downhill it tries to change down to 2nd so the engine whines so loud you think it’ll explode ..
Use low range and it constantly beeps, so much so that it’s preferable to get stuck than listen to it ... it randomly surges to 1200rpm on Tickover for no reason at all. The fuel cap release is annoyingly close to the bonnet release and not illuminated so most trips to the petrol station (twice daily) include either squinting in the footwell or inadvertently opening the bonnet ... it drinks ad-blue by the gallon ... parking sensors beep constantly and the you can’t swith off the rear ones so when you have a trailer on and reverse it beeps so much your ears bleed ...

Sorry to hear your woes, perhaps you bought the wrong Hilux? I have a manual Active that probably only cost two thirds an Invincible X and it's always in the gear I think best. The engine didn't give its best until past 4000 miles, it isn't rapid, it is a two tonne truck with a 150hp engine, but it breaks the speed limit easily enough. The one option I had was parking sensors, on mine there is a switch at the left hand end of the dash that is only accessible with the passenger door open that turns off the rear sensors for when you have a trailer on. The temporary off push switch for the front sensors is low on the right. I only do about 10k miles a year, average just over 30 mpg and know without looking the fuel filler release is the one nearest the door. The Adblue light came on at 7500 miles. The only problem I have had is the original sump guard is made of tin foil and was soon wrecked, I have replaced it with an after market one. I'd happily buy another Hilux the same.

 

[Guy]

Iv found the parking sensor button, it switches off the front, but not the rear .. it beeps insesantly .
Another point I forgot to mention is the radio ... there is only a reliable receiption in towns... not really a HiLux’s normal environment is it ?
Iv done 11k miles in mine and Iv put in at least 30L of adblue (excluding what it came with)
I had a new one in 2012 that was a much better truck, how can they go backwards?

Had it in low range again today ... why is it necessary to beep constantly? Why? It makes no sense ..

 

[Cowabunga]

Iv found the parking sensor button, it switches off the front, but not the rear .. it beeps insesantly .
Another point I forgot to mention is the radio ... there is only a reliable receiption in towns... not really a HiLux’s normal environment is it ?
Iv done 11k miles in mine and Iv put in at least 30L of adblue (excluding what it came with)
I had a new one in 2012 that was a much better truck, how can they go backwards?

Had it in low range again today ... why is it necessary to beep constantly? Why? It makes no sense ..

My Ford automatically shuts off the rear parking sensors when a trailer light socket is attached, when it also turns the general 'tow mode' on. I'm amazed that Toyota have a manual switch for this, for either front or back. Even more amazed that there is no facility to switch your rears off even manually. Are you 100% sure?

What's with the beeping in low range? What's it trying to tell you? These things spend a good proportion of their time in low range on some farms, so a needless beeping for no good reason is unacceptable. Does it have a wiring fault? Does anyone else have either of these issues?

 

[Michael S]

Iv found the parking sensor button, it switches off the front, but not the rear .. it beeps insesantly .
Another point I forgot to mention is the radio ... there is only a reliable receiption in towns... not really a HiLux’s normal environment is it ?
Iv done 11k miles in mine and Iv put in at least 30L of adblue (excluding what it came with)
I had a new one in 2012 that was a much better truck, how can they go backwards?

Had it in low range again today ... why is it necessary to beep constantly? Why? It makes no sense ..

No low range beeping on my Hilux. It actually deals with mud better in low range because stability control is turned off. The switch for the rear sensors on mine is on the left hand end of the dash but you can only see it standing with the left hand front door open.

 

[nick...]

I’ve none of the problems mentioned.get the beep in 4wd till engaged and again when disengagement takes place accompanied by flashing light on dash.never had problems turning of sensors on rear and current model does not have front sensors for parking.
Nick...

 

[Cowabunga]

Has Guy RTFM?

 

[Tomr10]

One thing most have that I dont like is the ultra light steering it's awful for motorway speed

 

[Cowabunga]

One thing most have that I dont like is the ultra light steering it's awful for motorway speed

One thing most have that I dont like is the ultra light steering it's awful for motorway speed

Which "most" are they? I've yet to find one that light that it makes fast road work less than confidence inspiring. Old models used to have a lot of freeplay and were less precise, using recirculating ball steering boxes rather than today's standard of fitting rack and pinion steering.

 

[Tomr10]

Ford ranger, d max and vw

 

[Pheasant Surprise]

Tesla pickup looks alright for $49K. Might see if I can get an owners discount

Alternatively now that the blue oval have laid out $500M in investment capital, the Rivian R1-T might actually make it into production and looks like an alright truck too

 

[ollie989898]

Tesla pickup looks alright for $49K. Might see if I can get an owners discount

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Alternatively now that the blue oval have laid out $500M in investment capital, the Rivian R1-T might actually make it into production and looks like an alright truck too

Cool. I'd drive that. How much is $49K in GBP?