Which New Pick-Up Is The Best Vehicle To Get?

[Robt]

Which is best though, as a farm vehicle?

I don’t know, neither are used a farm truck.

 

[ricky_rascal]

Which is best though, as a farm vehicle?

I doubt there is a right lot between them. The Ford like the new Isuzu has a smallish engine should that be of concern to you. Some say these small engines won’t last the course towing but think they probably will. I currently run a 2.5 D-Max and has never needed to go to the dealers for anything. Does the job. Engine is a bit (very) vocal but can legally do 60 on single carriageway whereas the Ford and VW are too heavy and can only beetle along at 50mph (though sure they don’!) Buy the one you like and can afford

 

[e3120]

Had a go in a Musso yesterday. To be fair it was very pleasant. Coil springs at the back gave a nice ride. But 27.5k for the higher spec one? He had a couple available to drive away, which might explain reluctance to do a deal. Far too close to 28.5k for a 2.8 Hilux Invincible (that you wouldn't see in 2022). 29k for a D40 Isuzu (sept). All approx same spec, inc a paint option, load liner & towbar.

 

[Cowabunga]

We have a 2020 v6 Amarok Aventura blk edition and now a 2022 ford ranger 2.0 bi turbo wildtrack . To drive, the ford is nicer. The equipment on the ford is better ( both are top of the range) . The quality of the ford is better…. The engine in the vw is bliss…..

The latest Ford is very impressive. Even the engine is superb unless you compare it to the VW/Audi 3.0 V6 diesel.

 

[Robt]

The latest Ford is very impressive. Even the engine is superb unless you compare it to the VW/Audi 3.0 V6 diesel.

That’s exactly what I said.

 

[Cowabunga]

That’s exactly what I said.

Well you didn’t say that unless you compared the Ford engine with the VW 3.0, it was the next best performing engine currently available. Powerful, refined and quiet, torquey and mated to a superb ten speed automatic.

 

[Johnnyboxer]

Well you didn’t say that unless you compared the Ford engine with the VW 3.0, it was the next best performing engine currently available. Powerful, refined and quiet, torquey and mated to a superb ten speed automatic.

Is the 2litre Ford engine, a wet belt design though ? (like the Transits)

 

[Cowabunga]

Is the 2litre Ford engine, a wet belt design though ? (like the Transits)

Yes it is. They did have a very poor early reputation but current production is much modified in the belt area and apparently Siemens has sorted their fuel injector issues.
The engine has been built since 2017 but only some 17000 built in 2019 had faulty injectors.

 

[lloyd]

Yes it is. They did have a very poor early reputation but current production is much modified in the belt area and apparently Siemens has sorted their fuel injector issues.

So early days to say they are trouble free.
Ford has in the past been well below Toyota in Sh values
and there is normally a good reason for that.

 

[Johnnyboxer]

Yes it is. They did have a very poor early reputation but current production is much modified in the belt area and apparently Siemens has sorted their fuel injector issues.
The engine has been built since 2017 but only some 17000 built in 2019 had faulty injectors.

.............the earlier (oil pumps aside) 2.2 engine that you are running is the better option

 

[dave mountain]

Which is best though, as a farm vehicle?

amarok, as you actually have a reasonable chance of not needing serious engine work

 

[ollandroverman]

amarok, as you actually have a reasonable chance of not needing serious engine work

True.
With my colleagues Amorok, it's the emission control equipment and serious electric failures that have left him stranded several times instead.

 

[hally]

Sounds like I’d better stick with my old dmax

 

[Cowabunga]

Going by evidence locally with firms that run 2l Transits...........then it's an engine that's best avoided
From an engineering perspective who thought a rubber cambelt running inside the engine, in oil...............was a good idea?
I am out, for that reason.............the earlier (oil pumps aside) 2.2 engine that you are running is the better option

It is more common than you might think and in theory better than running dry belts. Yes they had literally fleets going down with dodgy injectors and excess fuel causing belt failures around 2018 running into 2019. Mainly caused by their fuel injector suppliers changing some critical part without authorisation from Ford. It was a ‘disaster’ at the time as it was an universal problem that if it hadn’t happened yet, it was sure to happen soon to those 17000 commercial vehecles plus some 2500 cars.
I am not aware of any such issues on later built engines.

 

[Cowabunga]

So early days to say they are trouble free.
Ford has in the past been well below Toyota in Sh values
and there is normally a good reason for that.

Nothing is trouble free. The higher used value of HiLux is down to the very limited numbers they sold new. It certainly isnt down to their seating position, style or ride comfort. They are probably above average for reliability but local ones to me have had their fair share of big bangs over the years

 

[lloyd]

amarok, as you actually have a reasonable chance of not needing serious engine work

A neighbour of mine spent thousands on an Amarok engine that
had done low mileage .This was a few years ago but I know he wasn't
the only one at the time having trouble.

 

[Lakesdigger]

amarok, as you actually have a reasonable chance of not needing serious engine work

Not immune to other and less severe faults but they can be v expensive to sort. Trouble is there's a fine line between cutting your losses with a ford when the engine goes bang and it's second hand value as a runner means it's not worth fixing and having to spend a fortune fixing a vw to limit what you stand to lose selling it as a none runner. There's good and bad in all and luck involved too.

 

[lloyd]

Nothing is trouble free. The higher used value of HiLux is down to the very limited numbers they sold new. It certainly isnt down to their seating position, style or ride comfort. They are probably above average for reliability but local ones to me have had their fair share of big bangs over the years

I find the Hilux rides very well but compared to our 2.2 defender I suppose
anything would be an improvement.Secondhand value is also high on my list
and most other peoples.

 

[Lakesdigger]

I find the Hilux rides very well but compared to our 2.2 defender I suppose
anything would be an improvement.

Always amuses me criticism of seating position in a hilux. It may not suit everyone (clearly) but all everybody wanted was for pickups to be a bit more car like to sit in and when there is one that is nobody likes it.

 

[Johnnyboxer]

It is more common than you might think and in theory better than running dry belts. Yes they had literally fleets going down with dodgy injectors and excess fuel causing belt failures around 2018 running into 2019. Mainly caused by their fuel injector suppliers changing some critical part without authorisation from Ford. It was a ‘disaster’ at the time as it was an universal problem that if it hadn’t happened yet, it was sure to happen soon to those 17000 commercial vehecles plus some 2500 cars.
I am not aware of any such issues on later built engines.

Good news