Which tool for min till

[neilo]

I’ve never thought of a Trio as a ‘min-till’ cultivator. It’s good at what it does, but it certainly isn’t minimum tillage!

 

[thorpe]

no tool works all the time, yove got to have options. weve got it down to short disc , trio , flat lift , ph , plough, co 4 , combi , i want to sell the cobi but the next generation wont let me ! i think if the co4 wont go we shouldnt be in the field.

 

[Renaultman]

I’ve been looking at alternative cultivations myself. From Claydon to min till. A tined cultivator seems the best option I think, a Pottinger synkro or the likes.

I’ve heavy ground that’s usually damp so tines work best, discs lead to compaction. The sumo trio is basically both out together so really need twice the horse power.

Compaction looks to be a bigger problem with min till, so I’m asking myself a cultivator + subsoiler = more capital or more power requirement than ploughing? Or do I just hire in an extra plough man?

Surely a plough also leads to panning and a need for a subsoiler? I find discs + tines are the perfect solution on our heavy land, but not the deep cultivation that the trio gives.
I also find that discs are better on clods than tines but the system disc on the drill can do a lot of work for me there.
Each to their own and I am by no means saying my system is the best.

 

[thorpe]

I’ve never thought of a Trio as a ‘min-till’ cultivator. It’s good at what it does, but it certainly isn’t minimum tillage!

i just look at it as one pass.

 

[Renaultman]

I’ve got a 3 metre Trio for sale if anybody is interested. Our NH TM155 never struggled with it.
I has the wide wings on at the moment but comes with 2 complete additional sets of points and standard wing sets with welded on points. The points are brand new on one set and the wings are brand new on the other set. £8,000 buys it.
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PM me if interested.

That seems a good buy for someone, shame it's not an Xpress, joker or similar as thats what I'm looking for.

 

[thorpe]

Surely a plough also leads to panning and a need for a subsoiler? I find discs + tines are the perfect solution on our heavy land, but not the deep cultivation that the trio gives.
I also find that discs are better on clods than tines but the system disc on the drill can do a lot of work for me there.
Each to their own and I am by no means saying my system is the best.

trio isnt a sub soiler weve got the flat lift for that you dont have to drop it in!

 

[Renaultman]

trio isnt a sub soiler weve got the flat lift for that you dont have to drop it in!

No it's a deep cultivator though, so hardly min till. More one pass. Absolutely brilliant for folly potatoes mind if not possibly a bit to good sometimes

 

[Dman2]

Are you still planning on using your combi drill? Do you ever subsoil or is the plough enough to lift your wheeling/compaction?

use 168 hp on trailed trio it loves pulling it till it hits a bank , soil type dosnt seem to matter its the banks that kills it.

Yes plan on using combi. Hardly ever subsoil, do the odd tramline

Yes have lots of banks.

Tractor is a Claas arion 630 2008 model. so probably an option to open it up a bit

 

[thorpe]

Yes plan on using combi. Hardly ever subsoil, do the odd tramline

Yes have lots of banks.

Tractor is a Claas arion 630 2008 model. so probably an option to open it up a bit

2015 630 here!

 

[benny6910]

Yes plan on using combi. Hardly ever subsoil, do the odd tramline

Yes have lots of banks.

Tractor is a Claas arion 630 2008 model. so probably an option to open it up a bit

I would say any form of sumo type machine with low disturbance point on set similar depth to what you plough at should be fine then.

 

[Flat 10]

Ok
so possibly looking at going down min till route for some of our land
Have @ 150hp to play with
What are my options
Not looking new

3m Lemken terradisc type machine?

 

[teslacoils]

Set of discs.
Subsoiler with low draft legs. Or one converted.
Set of rolls most important.

 

[alomy75]

Set of discs.
Subsoiler with low draft legs. Or one converted.
Set of rolls most important.

Someone ask for a converted LD subsoiler that’s for sale??!

 

[alomy75]

Better than a discaerator , are you on lads land

Random comment! Is someone secretly wishing they chose the disco over the sumo?!!

 

[Hesstondriver]

Yes plan on using combi. Hardly ever subsoil, do the odd tramline

Yes have lots of banks.

Tractor is a Claas arion 630 2008 model. so probably an option to open it up a bit

My friend on some stiff stuff has just gone down the trio followed by combi drill , his only comment was that his drill didn’t like the trash from the trio compared to his ploughing based system. He’s got an Andrew guest combi .

 

[quattro]

I had a play on some heavyish headlands 5 leg subsoiler c/w dd type packer then one pass
can’t tell difference from where it was ploughed now

 

[Two Tone]

My friend on some stiff stuff has just gone down the trio followed by combi drill , his only comment was that his drill didn’t like the trash from the trio compared to his ploughing based system. He’s got an Andrew guest combi .

Yes, using a Combi after a Sumo Trio or any type of Min-till cultivator tool can cause problems with the drill coulter starting to bulldoze and block, even with 3 rows of coulters.
My solution was to build a Rotary Clearer with bits supplied by Geoffrey Wox (Gutler). It worked a treat in keeping the straw and trash moving through the coulters, preventing any blockages and stopping it from dumping a heap on the headlands when you lift the combi up to turn round. I’ve still got mine, including the mountings to Accord mounting bar. £1,000 will buy it.

Also, we sometimes found that in dry conditions, even with the Sumo rear roller packer, it didn’t do a good enough job with one pass. The solution was to tow this behind it:

Problem solved for £2,500 if anybody wants it.

(Also works a the 3 metre wide plough press it was originally designed for.)

 

[Chickcatcher]

Nobody mention a Discordon Cheaper than most second hand, effective, If you get a bigger one than you can pull you could take a leg off each side which you could then sell the fixing brackets to me as I want to close my legs up to 50Cm then room for one extra on each side.

 

[MrNoo]

Weaving Subdisc here, very versatile machine, bit lighter than a Trio but similar job. As above combi will struggle with the trash, I use a Vaddy straight into it and this copes fine.

 

[Renaultman]

Weaving Subdisc here, very versatile machine, bit lighter than a Trio but similar job. As above combi will struggle with the trash, I use a Vaddy straight into it and this copes fine.

TBH the difference between the Vaddy and the combi was like light and day, when I went on to min till. Combi worked (tine drill) but often needed another cultivation pass but so did my first box Vaddy. Since going to a system disc system I now find an extra pass can actually over work it.
I confess I am aiming for a coarser seed bed and using a higher water rate and angled nozzles on pre em to reduce slumping, so far I am happy with results. Very happy with pre em results.