Who has replaced Guy Smith at Red Tractor?

[Sid]

Farming is complex we all recognise that. No is disagreeing. We are talking about Red Tractor you know that.

I think you are being obtuse for the sake of it.

Your talking about RT
I wasn't

 

[SilliamWhale]

Your talking about RT
I wasn't

I don't even think you know what you are talking about!

 

[Sid]

Then how did it feel to achieve no impact but at least go through the proper channels so at least if made you feel good that you were ignored in the correct way.

Their reply was there is plenty of cross over between conventional and organic.

Wanted them to do more on,
Herbal leys and clover use
Lower AB usage
Organic milk volumes

Majority of organic farmers paddled their own canoes.

Guess who comes knocking on the door asking about the above and sharing the learnings.

Took my money , still do, and didn't really help.

 

[Sid]

I think you to have a serious discussion about this you would need to know more.

Otherwise your lack of awareness of the topic means I think you are flip flopping

I do lack awareness in arable and RT.
Yep
You can mix imported grain with UK grain and its ok in their eyes. Yep that's wrong.
That's the extent of it and its wrong

I don't even think you know what you are talking about!

An assurance scheme that's covers the legalities of dairy farming
Movements
Identication
Dairy inspection
Safety data sheets
Etc

Simple scheme just like it was in the beginning.

 

[Tarw Coch]

This clearly demonstrates that rat is only about collecting fees. The same inspector on the same day, but charging for 2 inspections

Quite agree that RT is all about collecting fees.
As a dairy farmer my milk buyer picks up the tab for my RT dairy inspection.
But in the small print is a line that says something along the lines of
I am aware that as a condition of being RT dairy assured I must also be RT beef assured.
Of course the dairy company isn’t going to pick up the tab for beef assurance, that ones for the farmer.
I have yet to work out and no one has been able to tell me what extra requirements there are for beef assurance, I certainly can’t think of anything that could be relevant, could it be that there isn’t anything extra other than the writing of a cheque to RT?

Yet beef farmers don’t have to be RT assured, it is entirely optional wether they are or not so why are dairy farmers forced to be RT beef assured as a condition of their dairy assurance which they can’t sell milk without, is it even legal to compel farmers to sign up to beef assurance like this.
If only farmers had some sort of organisation to fight their case collectively in situations like this.

 

[Bruce Almighty]

I've just been told who it is and it will be announced on Monday
(Guy Smith's replacement)

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

I've just been told who it is and it will be announced on Monday
(Guy Smith's replacement)

Well?

Don't tell me, mgs!

 

[tullah]

Quite agree that RT is all about collecting fees.
As a dairy farmer my milk buyer picks up the tab for my RT dairy inspection.
But in the small print is a line that says something along the lines of
I am aware that as a condition of being RT dairy assured I must also be RT beef assured.
Of course the dairy company isn’t going to pick up the tab for beef assurance, that ones for the farmer.
I have yet to work out and no one has been able to tell me what extra requirements there are for beef assurance, I certainly can’t think of anything that could be relevant, could it be that there isn’t anything extra other than the writing of a cheque to RT?

Yet beef farmers don’t have to be RT assured, it is entirely optional wether they are or not so why are dairy farmers forced to be RT beef assured as a condition of their dairy assurance which they can’t sell milk without, is it even legal to compel farmers to sign up to beef assurance like this.
If only farmers had some sort of organisation to fight their case collectively in situations like this.

Re your last sentence, The British Farming Union has this issue at the top of their agenda.

 

[Grass And Grain]

Quite agree that RT is all about collecting fees.
As a dairy farmer my milk buyer picks up the tab for my RT dairy inspection.
But in the small print is a line that says something along the lines of
I am aware that as a condition of being RT dairy assured I must also be RT beef assured.
Of course the dairy company isn’t going to pick up the tab for beef assurance, that ones for the farmer.
I have yet to work out and no one has been able to tell me what extra requirements there are for beef assurance, I certainly can’t think of anything that could be relevant, could it be that there isn’t anything extra other than the writing of a cheque to RT?

Yet beef farmers don’t have to be RT assured, it is entirely optional wether they are or not so why are dairy farmers forced to be RT beef assured as a condition of their dairy assurance which they can’t sell milk without, sis it even legal to compel farmers to sign up to beef assurance like this.
If only farmers had some sort of organisation to fight their case collectively in situations like this.

Think it was maybe yourself Tarw who uploaded a letter saying you needed RT beef, along with the dairy??? From the assessment company?

Not sure it says that in the standards though?

As you suggest "tying" (the condition of supply of one product is that you purchase a second) is illegal under competition law. Not sure if this contravenes the law or not.

 

[Grass And Grain]

@Tarw Coch

Tying occurs when a supplier makes the sale of one product (the tying product) conditional upon the purchase of another (the tied product) from the supplier (i.e. the tying product is not sold separately).

So does this mean if you want RT Dairy, they can't make you take beef assurance.

You're saying the dairy assurance isn't sold separately, but your required to take out beef as well.

 

[farenheit]

Don't tell me, mgs!

Mrs Guy Smith?

 

[spin cycle]

I've just been told who it is and it will be announced on Monday
(Guy Smith's replacement)

pointless post of the year award?....'i know but i'm not going to tell you'

tell you what....finish this sentance...' there is speculation that the new arable rep for red tractor is.....'

 

[Steevo]

I'm pretty certain consumers will have much more confidence in the organic badge than the RT logo. They'll understand the former, but probably won't know what the latter does.

They will think they understand the former!

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

pointless post of the year award?....'i know but i'm not going to tell you'

tell you what....finish this sentance...' there is speculation that the new arable rep for red tractor is.....'

Some poor bugger

 

[Steevo]

Some poor bugger

Poor…?!

 

[Bruce Almighty]

Well?

Don't tell me, mgs!

I was told in confidence, surely you can wait 'til Monday

pointless post of the year award?....'i know but i'm not going to tell you'

tell you what....finish this sentance...' there is speculation that the new arable rep for red tractor is.....'

As above, if you are told something in confidence do you tell the world ?

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

Don't tell him Pike

 

[Clive]

I've just been told who it is and it will be announced on Monday
(Guy Smith's replacement)

well fancy that for a coincidence within a week of this thread starting

what were the chances hey !

 

[An Gof]

Well?

Don't tell me, mgs!

I have known MGS for a long time and get on well with him. However, I sincerely hope your suggestion is wrong.

 

[MrNoo]

I have known MGS for a long time and get on well with him. However, I sincerely hope your suggestion is wrong.

Grantly Smith from AHDB?? It's just musical chairs