Who is in favour of an E passport for grain?

[colhonk]

You will have to ask the wagon driver to kindly stay where he is ,while you go in search of a computer, printer and internet connection, simples

 

[Condi]

i dont have any internet connection at our grain store. What happens then?

Easy. You fill in the details on the drivers phone, and then at some point between leaving your farm and arriving at the mill you can almost guarantee that he will have mobile signal. At that point the data is sent from his phone.

The farmer doesn't need to access the Internet at all. It's all done over the mobile networks on the drivers phone/Ipad.

All of this was thought about and works in practice.



Looking into it a bit more it seems the issue was that nabim couldn't promise 2 way transfer of information from every mill and nfu wouldn't proceed without that promise. Considering the work which has gone in it seems a shame the whole thing has fallen apart over something which for 90% of Mills isn't going to be an issue.

 

[Steevo]

Looking into it a bit more it seems the issue was that nabim couldn't promise 2 way transfer of information from every mill and nfu wouldn't proceed without that promise. Considering the work which has gone in it seems a shame the whole thing has fallen apart over something which for 90% of Mills isn't going to be an issue.

I agree with NFU. If you give way on that point now, who's to say that in 12 month all mills won't say "sorry, we can't either" hence farmers get lumped with the problem and no benefit.

Call me cynical, but we've seen potential for this behaviour previously.

 

[Lincsman]

Easy. You fill in the details on the drivers phone, and then at some point between leaving your farm and arriving at the mill you can almost guarantee that he will have mobile signal. At that point the data is sent from his phone.

The farmer doesn't need to access the Internet at all. It's all done over the mobile networks on the drivers phone/Ipad.

All of this was thought about and works in practice.



Looking into it a bit more it seems the issue was that nabim couldn't promise 2 way transfer of information from every mill and nfu wouldn't proceed without that promise. Considering the work which has gone in it seems a shame the whole thing has fallen apart over something which for 90% of Mills isn't going to be an issue.

What if the driver drops his phone and it stops working, does everything grind to a halt until a new phone arrives via a Taxi and is set up with the details?

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

Which grower would not want real-time return of analysis data from end users?

E-passports are the future, they will improve efficiency and traceability as the paper systems are brought online.

However, we are several years away from having sufficient rural internet and having every HGV driver equipped with a smartphone/tablet and the skills to use it.

Drivers will not want the responsibility of doing the IT bit correctly enough to allow the load to be tipped promptly.

As it is, there are too many drivers who can't fill in a paper passport correctly.

 

[muppet]

In theory, fine. In reallity it won't work here - sh!t mobile/3g signal and even worse broadband

 

[Farmer Miggins]

We are all guilty of shooting things down because of perceived problems. Yes, internet coverage is not good all over the country, particularly so in rural areas but that is no reason to not attempt to move into the 21st century. The trial worked, with all of these problems and there is still the fall-back to revert to paper.

 

[Condi]

The amount of data to be transferred is tiny, less data than it takes to load this page. A phone will only need signal for maybe 60 seconds at most even with poor signal to transfer the data, at any point between leaving the farm and arriving at the mill. There are other fullbacks - either using the Mills Internet or even paper copies if the world really ends.

The fact it might not work isn't a reason not to do it. The trial worked and the concept and technology is proven. The sticking point was nabim and the NFU.

 

[Chrisw]

We are all guilty of shooting things down because of perceived problems. Yes, internet coverage is not good all over the country, particularly so in rural areas but that is no reason to not attempt to move into the 21st century. The trial worked, with all of these problems and there is still the fall-back to revert to paper.

Unless things have changed, the question was raised at a meeting I attended, of whether paper passport could be used as a fall back position, and the answer was NO! If the passport goes electronic, paper passports would not be accepted, there would be no stickers to out on paper either.
I am sorry if some feel I am backward looking, but I am sick to death of farmers carrying the cost, and extra burdens required by other parties for their own businesses!
I grow crops and my records show the life of the crop whilst here, I grow everything legally and keep records but I pay extra and do more than is necessary to be farm assured (because the merchants, mills etc demand it), fine I bear the cost but it doesn't make my grain any safer or better.
I have full traceability here, so when it leaves on a lorry..... why am I (or all farmers) responsible for the traceability through the rest of the supply chain??
Every cost is passed to the farmer at the moment.... weigh bridge charges, claims on spec (but no bonuses), rejection costs, transport costs etc etc! all the while we are offered world prices..... sometimes from countries who have cheaper labour, cheaper chems or products which are banned.
Personally, I jump through enough hoops and spend enough money to satisfy buyers that my crop is safe, if the industry want e-passports, then it can be something the hauliers and mills do between themselves, they want it, they can pay and implement it, but I won't be supporting it, as I see it as another nail in the coffin for smaller farms.
Sorry, rant over.

 

[Pieces_of_Eight]

The amount of data to be transferred is tiny, less data than it takes to load this page.

The sticking point was nabim and the NFU.

Commercially sensitive data?

 

[4course]

The amount of data to be transferred is tiny, less data than it takes to load this page. A phone will only need signal for maybe 60 seconds at most even with poor signal to transfer the data, at any point between leaving the farm and arriving at the mill. There are other fullbacks - either using the Mills Internet or even paper copies if the world really ends.

The fact it might not work isn't a reason not to do it. The trial worked and the concept and technology is proven. The sticking point was nabim and the NFU.

im a bit of a luddite and have a real fear of sending anything important via email text or whatever without having a paper copy in front of me vat returns internet banking sfp etc etc, as the risk of making a mistake is considerable and potentially costly and as can be seen by your post how easy it is to make a mistake of which I do frequently , not trying to be awkward but im sure you meant fallback not fullback

 

[Steevo]

I'm a fan of:

SFP online
VAT online
Internet banking
Xero cloud accounts.

All help me and make my business easier and quicker.

I am therefore in favour of e-passports for grain. Anything to reduce paperwork and duplication.

BUT! The major benefit I can see is that I need this to be two way flow of data. If I send off 6 loads of grain, and get feedback on spec on the first one before I load the second one I can plan how I load my lorries, from which store or parts of store. This means I am better able to deliver grain to the spec demanded by the end user, and should create less rejections.

If end users cannot guarantee to send me that information, they need to up their game also.