Who is REALLY paying for AG Subsidies???......... THE RICH

[Bossfarmer]

A huge amount of fuss is made on these forums about how "joe public" is having to fork out all this money each year to pay farmers subsidies so that they can continue to supply the british public with quality farm assured and traceable food produced to a high standard and also compete with imports (most of the rest of the world is also subsidising food), I find this very strange given the fact that it works out at only 23p a day IF split equally amount all the UK citizens HOWEVER read the following

Almost half of Britons pay no income tax while the richest are now shouldering the biggest burden on record, a new analysis has found.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies said that the proportion of working-age adults who do not pay income tax has risen from 34.3 per cent to 43.8 per cent, equivalent to 23million people.

Over the same period the amount of income tax paid by the richest 1 per cent has risen from 24.4 per cent to 27.5 per cent, meaning that 300,000 people pay more than a quarter of the nation's income tax.

 

[SRRC]

Ah, you are back!

 

[Bossfarmer]

when you actually dig into who pays these subs and who benefits from them it becomes apparent that its most of the UK, the farmers, the supply chain, the rural towns/villages/economy etc, and most of all the voters as so many of them are paying no tax and many paying very little yet ALL are benefitting from lower weekly shopping bills, isn't that something to vote FOR?

 

[wasted years]

IT'S LIKE DEJA-VU ALL OVER AGAIN.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Ah, you are back!

from what , his annual winter ski holiday in the alps, or the winter sun holiday in the Africa shooting?

 

[Tarw Coch]

So is this topic really about subsidies or taxation?
The rich will always pay more tax, can't see how else it could work.
After that it's down to the govt how they spend it.

 

[orchard]

Sterling work yet again BF. You never disappoint.

 

[Lincsman]

The poor pay tax... if they buy beer or petrol.

 

[Adeptandy]

The poor pay tax... if they buy beer or petrol.

True, but nobody has to buy beer, its a luxury not a necessity

 

[Still Farming]

Everyone pays Tax or Taxes directly or indirectly !

 

[SilliamWhale]

I'd imagine corporations pay more tax than anyone don't they?

The answer as to who is paying for what is quite simple - the future is paying for the present because the present can't afford to pay for much.

I think subsidies should hang around in some form or another - all primary industries get something or another.

 

[orchard]

How much income tax do you pay @Bossfarmer ? Just asking for a friend

 

[unlacedgecko]

I've often thought the sliding scale of income tax was totally immoral.

 

[Adeptandy]

I was at a Council Tenants meeting last night and there stance was ...we need to squeeze you as tight as possible without making you quit as we need the income stream for services but no bad debts........not the exact words, but was the sentiment behind them, so I'm going to need the subs to continue or I'm finished

 

[SilliamWhale]

Everyone pays Tax or Taxes directly or indirectly !

True. Probably the poor/ lower earners pay proportionally more of their income on tax than the rich anyway - vat, fuel tax, food taxes etc.

 

[thesilentone]

A huge amount of fuss is made on these forums about how "joe public" is having to fork out all this money each year to pay farmers subsidies so that they can continue to supply the british public with quality farm assured and traceable food produced to a high standard and also compete with imports (most of the rest of the world is also subsidising food), I find this very strange given the fact that it works out at only 23p a day IF split equally amount all the UK citizens HOWEVER read the following

Almost half of Britons pay no income tax while the richest are now shouldering the biggest burden on record, a new analysis has found.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies said that the proportion of working-age adults who do not pay income tax has risen from 34.3 per cent to 43.8 per cent, equivalent to 23million people.

Over the same period the amount of income tax paid by the richest 1 per cent has risen from 24.4 per cent to 27.5 per cent, meaning that 300,000 people pay more than a quarter of the nation's income tax.

I disagree, there is little to no fuss about or from Joe Public, the only fuss that is created, is by you.....

 

[Adeptandy]

I disagree, there is little to no fuss about or from Joe Public, the only fuss that is created, is by you.....

I must have been mistaken then, but I was getting the impression form various media streams that Farmers shouldn't get subs anymore

 

[Lincsman]

True. Probably the poor/ lower earners pay proportionally more of their income on tax than the rich anyway - vat, fuel tax, food taxes etc.

Needs to be the case, otherwise why work harder?

 

[Pasty]

Payments will continue in some form but we will likely have to earn them in some way. Just throwing money per acre at farmers is never going to be popular. I doubt many people even realise just how much we get. It's a very hard argument to make to somebody with no farming knowledge. Take someone in a semi on a £20k wage with a mortgage and kids and then tell them that the guy who inherited a 5 million pound farm just like that also get's paid £40k a year and he doesn't even have to get out of bed. Just let it to grazers (more money) and pay someone to do the hedges and keep the fences up. I can see they would have much sympathy.

The way forward will be something more palatable like greening / welfare / public access in my view and I think that is the correct way to go.

 

[Bill the Bass]

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True, but nobody has to buy beer, its a luxury not a necessity

Everyone needs clothes and food (VAT) and insurance though