Who will take over

B'o'B

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Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
I have said this before that if we were a normal business with shareholders there would be a meeting to remove him but with just two and been family it's harder the inspectors were very aware of the situation and I'm aware of the fine for breaching I have the paperwork work in order and the identification of animals the inspectors have been back and are happy it's just getting him to stop doing any of his old ways now and leave it to me to do
To be honest, from what you have said he sounds like he’s probably has lost a few marbles along the way, which makes things extremely difficult for you. Old age can be incredibly cruel, both the the person it’s happening to and those who are near to them and have to deal with their actions. I hope it all works out for you.
 

RushesToo

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Location
Fingringhoe
Yes it's tough been family but he is going to have to see he not been doing what he should and things need to change
@Fendt516profi A conversation has to start. In your mind you need to plan it. You need to ask questions that are open in a dispassionate way that lead him to answer what is true. It might go:
Do you know what the RPA is worth per year?
Is the farm profitable without this?
Do you know what the penalties are for non compliance.
How many years can we afford this for
Would you like me to take charge of this
What forms will I need to complete.
How can you help me make these correct

Sorry if the words don't work for the situation, but I would try and work out something that would. Have you a mutual trusted friend in the locality that could ask these questions of both of you?

Doing nothing is not really an option so you need a plan.
I wish you well.
 

chaffcutter

Moderator
Arable Farmer
Location
S. Staffs
In a similar thread a few weeks ago someone recommended a mediator who specialised in situations like this, but I can’t remember what thread it was, anyone know who she is?

A few pounds spent on specialist input could pay dividends.
 

essexpete

Member
Location
Essex
In a similar thread a few weeks ago someone recommended a mediator who specialised in situations like this, but I can’t remember what thread it was, anyone know who she is?

A few pounds spent on specialist input could pay dividends.
I imagine the problem would be getting someone to admit the need for mediation.
 

Fendt516profi

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Yorkshire
@Fendt516profi A conversation has to start. In your mind you need to plan it. You need to ask questions that are open in a dispassionate way that lead him to answer what is true. It might go:
Do you know what the RPA is worth per year?
Is the farm profitable without this?
Do you know what the penalties are for non compliance.
How many years can we afford this for
Would you like me to take charge of this
What forms will I need to complete.
How can you help me make these correct

Sorry if the words don't work for the situation, but I would try and work out something that would. Have you a mutual trusted friend in the locality that could ask these questions of both of you?

Doing nothing is not really an option so you need a plan.
I wish you well.
That seems like a good idea if I could get him to answer the questions it might get him thinking. My partner is working on him abit she is not involved in the business as such and the inspectors suggested contacting fcn which is what we plan to do if we can get him to agree
 

steveR

Member
Mixed Farmer
In a similar thread a few weeks ago someone recommended a mediator who specialised in situations like this, but I can’t remember what thread it was, anyone know who she is?

A few pounds spent on specialist input could pay dividends.

Totally agree. BUT, it has to be someone that the Uncle likes and/or trusts. A long standing auctioneer he knows or someone similar may help to explain the issues as an impartial outsider to him...??
 
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Fendt516profi

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Yorkshire
Totally agree. BUT, it has to be someone that the Uncle likes and/or trusts. A long standing auctioneer he knows or someone similar may help to explain the issues as an impartial outsider to him...??
That's a good point it's ok having someone come talk to him but if he won't listen to them cause they know nowt then it's a waste of time
 

pgk

Member
IMVHO its the reason the public sector are hard up, when you consider the percentage of people who work in the public sector and who were giving very high pensions it is costing billions, my wife pays in around 20% more per month than I do yet will recieve around ten times as much, I know the NHS do "contribute" but its only a paper figure.The "new"schemes are as generous but still better than a private one
Think you mean the new schemes are not as generous.
 

pgk

Member
I've someone very near and dear in a very cushy number in the public sector -she at least is delivering the goods.

I know any number of hopeless muppets in various gov depts who'd be thrown out of private sector in a trice, but draw very good salaries.
They don't have to put money into their job.
If they're off sick, they get paid (rather than have to pay someone to do their work)
If the dept gets into real trouble, they still get paid.
Unless they actually crash the metaphoric bus, their job is safe.
If something does go wrong, and their job dissapears they get a gurt big 'settlement'.
As they get older, and can't go as hard, their pay keeps creeping up incrementally. (tell that to a lad working in the woods on piece work)
If the stress is all too much, they can go and sit in a darkened room for a long while.... still being paid.

I'm surrounded by retired middling gov employees, who take a pension a decade and more 'early' ...certainly younger than many of us would think reasonable,
but still of a size that it sounds more like a telephone number to me.
I know of households which draw a bigger gov pension than I have ever yet to trouser myself working my rocks off in a diverse well capitalised business. (4 times a good graduate start salary)
They'll go on drawing it (in fact, i beieve it creeps up) until they fall off their perches. Even then their spouse gets a residual half rate.
Some of them will draw these huge pensions for considerably longer than they worked.

I should make it clear.....
I accept that we need cops and nurses and firemen etc
(although the latter aren't much use to me any more, now the fire service no longer run tenders that can get over the narrow bridges locally...my house/buildings would/will burn to the ground if I didn't/can't put fires out)
And I don't expect to earn more than I do from what I do.

However, the current level of public sector reward looks very disproportionate to me
I fear you are significantly out of touch. Many govt departments had zero pay rises for 4 years followed by 1% cap such that those on bottom of scale might get 1.5% those on top 0.5%. No increments for 7 years. Bear in mind increments were to reflect build up of experience over 7 plus years to get to top of scale. Best staff would get promotion before they got to top of pile. Bonus' CF private sector were trifling and rare. Many private sector entrants on much better packages soon showed their true colours of being inept and architects of change where they failed to understand the business. Most moved on within 2 years before the fallout. Very much mirrored my experience of the private sector save for packages of managers being much higher in private sector.
 

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