Who's finding the NHS very hard work??????

Old Boar

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I was unsure if this should be in the WTF thread, as I find this unbelievable!

thelondoneconomic.com/news/...

Jeremy Hunt has been awarded a Humanitarian Award for patient safety despite overseeing the biggest crisis in the history of the National Health Service.

The Health Secretary was awarded the accolade for his global leadership on patient safety at the World Patient Safety Summit this weekend.

According to Nursing Notes, previous winners of the award include President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and Dr. Patrick H. Conway – all of whom worked tirelessly towards free and equal access to healthcare services in the US.

But as well as overseeing a period of crisis in the NHS, Hunt has also presided over the dismantling of the health service as private partners gobble up vast chunks of the tax-funded health body.

Article continues here :

thelondoneconomic.com/news/...

The Summit was held in London, so we, the tax payers, paid for it. So he runs a Summit and effectively gives himself an award.
Words fail me...:mad:
 
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RushesToo

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Location
Fingringhoe
I was unsure if this should be in the WTF thread, as I find this unbelievable!

thelondoneconomic.com/news/...

Jeremy Hunt has been awarded a Humanitarian Award for patient safety despite overseeing the biggest crisis in the history of the National Health Service.

The Health Secretary was awarded the accolade for his global leadership on patient safety at the World Patient Safety Summit this weekend.

According to Nursing Notes, previous winners of the award include President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and Dr. Patrick H. Conway – all of whom worked tirelessly towards free and equal access to healthcare services in the US.

But as well as overseeing a period of crisis in the NHS, Hunt has also presided over the dismantling of the health service as private partners gobble up vast chunks of the tax-funded health body.

Article continues here :

thelondoneconomic.com/news/...

The Summit was held in London, so we, the tax payers, paid for. So he runs a Summit and effectively gives himself an award.
Words fail me...:mad:

WTF!
 
Our experience of the local/regional NHS services have been examplary in recent years and I shall shortly be writing to the directors of the RUH in Bath to tell them how amazing the hospital and team were during the x2 child birth incidents we had. I now use the local surgery down the road and they could not be more helpful.
 

RushesToo

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Location
Fingringhoe
Our experience of the local/regional NHS services have been examplary in recent years and I shall shortly be writing to the directors of the RUH in Bath to tell them how amazing the hospital and team were during the x2 child birth incidents we had. I now use the local surgery down the road and they could not be more helpful.
I do agree when it works it's brilliant. Most of my experiences have been on the brilliant end.
 

JCMaloney

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Location
LE9 2JG
Surprisingly Jeremy Hunt has led on lots of patient safety ideas & systems. Mostly relating to "never events" as we call them....things like operating on the wrong bit or leaving bits behind in folk!
He is pretty well thought of by execs & the like and, if you take the politics away from it, he`s doing a decent job with other things like scan4safety & prescribing errors.
The "politics" about "selling off the NHS" is actually wrong..it was Blair & Labour that kicked off PFI`s & Privatisation.... JH is backing away from that and Trusts are forming LLP`s so (almost) getting the best of both worlds. ;)
 

JCMaloney

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Location
LE9 2JG
Surprisingly Jeremy Hunt has led on lots of patient safety ideas & systems. Mostly relating to "never events" as we call them....things like operating on the wrong bit or leaving bits behind in folk!
He is pretty well thought of by execs & the like and, if you take the politics away from it, he`s doing a decent job with other things like scan4safety & prescribing errors.
The "politics" about "selling off the NHS" is actually wrong..it was Blair & Labour that kicked off PFI`s & Privatisation.... JH is backing away from that and Trusts are forming LLP`s so (almost) getting the best of both worlds. ;)

I shouldn`t quote myself like some kind of Mystic Meg but......

Yesterday we announced that all our Facilities and Procurement are being shifted to an LLP after the Interserve fiasco...
"The Trust Board is committed to maintaining Agenda for Change terms and conditions (or their equivalent) within the partnership for both existing and new staff and to maintaining the partnership in wholly NHS ownership. There will be no return to a privatised model."

So they say...... but how long will their commitment last? After 2 years they can start amending contracts...roll on retirement...
 

JCMaloney

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Location
LE9 2JG
As some interesting figures for last winter have been released its update time.
BTW the LLP mentioned above has been blocked by NHS Improvement on Government advice because of the potential of VAT avoidance. :stop:

That aside: For "Winter 2017 which ran till March 2018"
Compared to the previous Winter season...
  • 400,000 more people called NHS 111
  • 290,000 more people attended A&E departments
  • 100,000 more people were admitted to hospital as an emergency
  • every day during winter, over 55,000 people were seen in A&E and admitted or discharged within four hours
Can read the whole shazam here: https://improvement.nhs.uk/documents/3201/NHS_review_of_winter_2017.18.pdf
 

Old Boar

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Location
West Wales
7 weeks minimum for ordinary GP appointment
10 months wait to see a Consultant
3 year wait minimum to get on a Dentist list, and that within a 60 mile radius
3 week wait for breast cancer tests, and then another 3 months for results.

The Welsh NHS is broken.
 

honeyend

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The NHS has some real issues and they haven't shown up yet. You wait until they run out of nurses in a few years time.

3 years of degree= £36,000.

Entry level wage for nurses?


You do the maths.
And if you want employ someone from out side the UK they have to earn......

'For the rest of the world, specific categories of visas are needed to come and work or study in the UK, including one for "skilled workers" - who usually have to earn at least £30,000 and have a job offer'

Well that's really funny because a qualified nurse earns far less than this target wage when they first start working for the NHS, and care assistants even less. After ten years they will be still be under this limit.
I do not know what I am offended buy more, that I or my daughter do not earn enough to be classed as skilled although we both have three years training, she works in ITU and I have a vast amount of experience from ITU, transplant,to end of life care or that the workers that work long hours so that we can buy veg in our supermarkets are seen as virtually valueless.
 

___\0/___

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Location
SW Scotland
7 weeks minimum for ordinary GP appointment
10 months wait to see a Consultant
3 year wait minimum to get on a Dentist list, and that within a 60 mile radius
3 week wait for breast cancer tests, and then another 3 months for results.

The Welsh NHS is broken.

Had the pleasure of using the Scottish GP system.

GP appointment will be 5 weeks but you can't choose a named (good) GP. But you can see a nurse practitioner in two days time (y)

Nurse practitioner takes symptoms and types them into the computer and comes up with the same diagnosis as I did by typing things into the computer.

Then goes onto the Amazon website to show me what I can buy to help.

I also get the phone number for an online physio consult but she advises me to go and get pay for a private physio as that would be better for me.

To be fair she was actually decent but her hands were very obviously tied, she said that if I don't get sorted I could be in serous pain that would stop me working but at that point I could go back and see her.
 

honeyend

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GUTH has obviously never experienced a major personal or close family injury/disaster/accident. He would have a VERY DIFFERENT attitude if this was so. The NHS has its faults for routine matters but it's free, is often slow, but it works. In the case of a serious accident it is utterly faultless. You are whisked off & put back together without fuss or fanfare.
Don't knock what you don't know!:rolleyes:
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I have been on both sides of the blanket in the NHS as a nurse and a patient, and unfortunately where as the technical has progressed on my recent hospital admissions there certainly is an attitude that if I am not allocated to care for you basically I will ignore you.
I am prepared to cut people slack when they are busy, but when they do not keep you informed, tell lies, give you drugs without informed consent, and then give you drugs that you react to even though you have refused them, you do wonder what the hell is going on. I was seriously ill and I ended up using a phone to record what I was given My family and I were not told what was wrong with me and what they were treating me for by a doctor, its was a dietician.

There is a huge amount of butt covering going on with paperwork and a system called datex, which a system where mistakes and near misses are recorded. I think the only time its really ever used is when they want to get rid of someone, which is rare because they are so short of staff.
The processes they have put in place have so gummed up the system the process, usually carried out on a computer, that it has become all about the process management not the patient. That's because of that magic word audit, and on electronic records its easier to see whats not been done. I have yet to see anyone check that what is in the record to see what actually was done, but then how can any patient know what they were supposed to have been given if they can not check the prescription?

To get round the claim they employ too many managers, they employ nurses as managers, who have no training in management, its virtually impossible to work out who is actually in charge of the shift.
I once did a shift where I was told by the senior nurse that the ward did not needed to be managed, this was a ward where you could go to the loo and the patient in the bed space you had been allocated had been replaced, with no information given. You can be allocated four bed spaces which may not seem much, but the shunting of patients goes on day and night, my highest turnover in a bed space was four, that was on a ward not in A&E.

I would think I am a grumpy but my daughter who is also a nurse says the same, she spends her spare time getting people out of bed, who have not been out of bed since admission and they wonder why they can not walk safely when they want them to be discharged, which is her role. A nice management role, which entails filling in a lot of paperwork, then chasing people, including doctors who can not be bothered to read the patients notes.
My friend who had a serious RTA and had her whole leg pinned, has just come off Tramadol after many years. She has had terrible withdrawal problems which have gone on for months, says if they had been honest that the pain would not go away or be controlled she would have never have taken them.

So my advice is think of them as the vet, you want a proper answer, I have found the magic words are formal complaint.
 

Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
For the last 4 month's I have been waiting to have X-ray's taken and and an MRI scan due to constant agonizing back and hip pain. It took 3 month's to see a rheumatologist consultant and it will be around another 3 month's to his next appointment even tho his first appointment he prescribed very high dose rate arthritis drugs that put me into A&E with heart attack symptoms for a day. Even when in his words " my right hip is almost certainly knackered" . I have constant burning pain in my right buttock and constant sharp pain in the same area and hardly sleep due to pain. I even have to lift my right leg with my arm into my pickup and need assistance to get my wellies on as I can't lift my leg up off the ground.

My doctor seams happy to give me drug's but each with their own antidotes as pain killers need laxitives taken with them and anti inflammatory drug's need other drugs taken with them to protect my stomach lining from being shredded.

I am told not to drive while taking the pain killers or operate machinery, but I am a fecking Agricultural Contractor and a farmer:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:. I told my doctor that I have spent 28 year's building my business and I need to be working again by the summer as sitting in a tractor for 2 hour's at the moment is a great achievement on a good day:cry:. My doctor seams very reluctant to let me go private to speed things up as I need a referral from them but I'd be happy to pay. I am only 46 and have a family to support and have no health insurances at all so it's vital to get back to work again:unsure:. Is any one else as feed up with the NHS ????
Try Alexander technique lessons https://alexandertechnique.co.uk/ I know, people may say that it won't help, however it is non invasive and can only do good even if only to help alleviate symptoms. It is expensive, and I think one needs about 20 lessons, but from the sound of things, anything that can help. I can't speak highly enough of the Alexander Technique.
 

Lowland1

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Mixed Farmer
My father who is 80 had a heart attack in August whilst being operated on he stopped breathing and as such suffered from hypoxia as such he has been very confused since however rather than consulting with myself or anyone who knew him they labelled him as a dementia sufferer and decided he would be unfit to look after himself and issued a deprivation of liberty order on him. Whilst I am prepared to pay for fulltime care at home for him the State in the form of the NHS refuses to allow us to do this. So for the last three months he has been stuck in hospital, for two of these in short term cardiac care even though within a week or so he was fairly stable and physically fit and for the last month in a rehabilitation ward where little if any rehabilitation has been carried out. The last three months have been a totally miserable Kafkaesque nightmare where the State has complete control over an individual and can do what it feels is in the patients interests whilst in reality is only in their interest. My father wants to go home we want him to go home and will do whatever is neccessary to make him comfortable but we are fighting a system that has only it's own interests at heart.
 

honeyend

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My father who is 80 had a heart attack in August whilst being operated on he stopped breathing and as such suffered from hypoxia as such he has been very confused since however rather than consulting with myself or anyone who knew him they labelled him as a dementia sufferer and decided he would be unfit to look after himself and issued a deprivation of liberty order on him. Whilst I am prepared to pay for fulltime care at home for him the State in the form of the NHS refuses to allow us to do this. So for the last three months he has been stuck in hospital, for two of these in short term cardiac care even though within a week or so he was fairly stable and physically fit and for the last month in a rehabilitation ward where little if any rehabilitation has been carried out. The last three months have been a totally miserable Kafkaesque nightmare where the State has complete control over an individual and can do what it feels is in the patients interests whilst in reality is only in their interest. My father wants to go home we want him to go home and will do whatever is neccessary to make him comfortable but we are fighting a system that has only it's own interests at heart.
If you have not already spoken to one you need to speak to the discharge planning nurse and make sure your father has been allocated a social worker. The problem occurs when doctors still want to investigate and treat when reality the patient and family feel they will be better at home. They get locked in a loop. The discharge planning nurse should be the patients advocate, and assist the patient getting the discharge they want. and ask why things have not been done to aid discharge.
Sometimes they just see the condition not the patient and family.
 

JP1

Member
Livestock Farmer
If you have not already spoken to one you need to speak to the discharge planning nurse and make sure your father has been allocated a social worker. The problem occurs when doctors still want to investigate and treat when reality the patient and family feel they will be better at home. They get locked in a loop. The discharge planning nurse should be the patients advocate, and assist the patient getting the discharge they want. and ask why things have not been done to aid discharge.
Sometimes they just see the condition not the patient and family.
This ^^^^

And the ward round is late morning, then the wait for any prescription drugs on discharge, then the patient transport booking is beyond the usual window so it's touch and go if the ambulance will get to the residential home before the last care team can accept them (8pm ish) and if aborted because of the latter, your relative gets re-admitted via A+E

I must have been there with my Aunt 20 times like this
 
I have been on both sides of the blanket in the NHS as a nurse and a patient, and unfortunately where as the technical has progressed on my recent hospital admissions there certainly is an attitude that if I am not allocated to care for you basically I will ignore you.
I am prepared to cut people slack when they are busy, but when they do not keep you informed, tell lies, give you drugs without informed consent, and then give you drugs that you react to even though you have refused them, you do wonder what the hell is going on. I was seriously ill and I ended up using a phone to record what I was given My family and I were not told what was wrong with me and what they were treating me for by a doctor, its was a dietician.

There is a huge amount of butt covering going on with paperwork and a system called datex, which a system where mistakes and near misses are recorded. I think the only time its really ever used is when they want to get rid of someone, which is rare because they are so short of staff.
The processes they have put in place have so gummed up the system the process, usually carried out on a computer, that it has become all about the process management not the patient. That's because of that magic word audit, and on electronic records its easier to see whats not been done. I have yet to see anyone check that what is in the record to see what actually was done, but then how can any patient know what they were supposed to have been given if they can not check the prescription?

To get round the claim they employ too many managers, they employ nurses as managers, who have no training in management, its virtually impossible to work out who is actually in charge of the shift.
I once did a shift where I was told by the senior nurse that the ward did not needed to be managed, this was a ward where you could go to the loo and the patient in the bed space you had been allocated had been replaced, with no information given. You can be allocated four bed spaces which may not seem much, but the shunting of patients goes on day and night, my highest turnover in a bed space was four, that was on a ward not in A&E.

I would think I am a grumpy but my daughter who is also a nurse says the same, she spends her spare time getting people out of bed, who have not been out of bed since admission and they wonder why they can not walk safely when they want them to be discharged, which is her role. A nice management role, which entails filling in a lot of paperwork, then chasing people, including doctors who can not be bothered to read the patients notes.
My friend who had a serious RTA and had her whole leg pinned, has just come off Tramadol after many years. She has had terrible withdrawal problems which have gone on for months, says if they had been honest that the pain would not go away or be controlled she would have never have taken them.

So my advice is think of them as the vet, you want a proper answer, I have found the magic words are formal complaint.


Might I ask if we could have a detailed discussion via PM of the above? It may come in handy for any interviews I may be called for.


Thank you.
 

SFI - What % were you taking out of production?

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quote: “Red Tractor has confirmed it is dropping plans to launch its green farming assurance standard in April“

read the TFF thread here: https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/gfc-was-to-go-ahead-now-not-going-ahead.405234/
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