Who's joining me?

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
It could.
Happened to look at current PI locations in Scotland a few days ago.
There is currently only 4 farm holding numbers in just 2 parishes with PI’s on them for the whole country.

That’s quite staggering, and shows just what can be done if everyone does (is forced to) take part, over a relatively short timescale.
 
I don’t know if I’m being retarded, but I haven’t got a clue what your on about.

I failed because the standards have again changed and IMO they have no relevance to what the consumer wants.
So you disagree with the principle of the scheme and it's just coincidence that you have decided to leave after failing?

If you'd passed, would you be leaving and asking others to join you?
 
That’s quite staggering, and shows just what can be done if everyone does (is forced to) take part, over a relatively short timescale.
Not a short time scale, the scheme has been on the go for about a decade (or so) which I class as pretty slow to get to where we are.

Messing around with blood sampling has caused the scheme to drag it's heels, Tissue Tagging would have boosted things by 2 or 3 years.

Closing the border to untested cattle would have helped too.
 

Highland Mule

Member
Livestock Farmer
I failed because the standards have again changed

I failed on health plan, health and safety plan, haven't got a needle certificate and when the dog was wormed.
I’m not in RT, but are those requirements really all new in the last year ? I’ve been putting my cat wormer in the medicine book since forever, so I’m amazed anyone wouldn’t do the same for their dog.
 

S J H

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
I’m not in RT, but are those requirements really all new in the last year ? I’ve been putting my cat wormer in the medicine book since forever, so I’m amazed anyone wouldn’t do the same for their dog.
I’ve never been asked for it before, so I’ve never put it in. As a friend said yesterday, how does it work with dogs walking on footpaths, and stray cats coming into the yard?
 

Hfd Cattle

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Hereford
Can you ask Mrs Hfd Cattle to video the ‘handover’ please?😂
I can't se it being a smooth transition .....having said that the inspector girl rang up the OH on Fri to check everything was still all ok for next Fri and said it shouldn't take long ........perhaps she has read the forum !😊😊
 

S J H

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire

Werzle

Member
Location
Midlands
Yes, as you say it was just another thing to comply with after being stretched last time.

As I’ve said before I was due the inspection, they booked it weeks ago, but membership expires 3/22, but as I’ve failed it will expire in 28 days.
I wonder what the outcome/penalty would be if you carried on using the stickers after the 28 days expired on fat lambs or fat cattle
 

xmilkr

Member
I don’t doubt it’s an issue, but I very much doubt its an issue for me, so can’t really see why i need to be testing to be in red tractor.

Have Scottish farmers have subsidised testing and compensation to cull?
Not an issue for you? if you have cattle it should be an issue, the cost of testing is a cheap form of insurance to protect your herd, with or without compensation, l thought l was safe enough twenty years ago, closed herd for 25 years, double fenced, no other cattle within a few miles, the whole farm still run on f+m security disinfectant, until eight steers from five miles away broke into our herd, resulting in four years with the loss of our ped. dairy herd, over four hundred head of cattle died and if any one tells you BVD wont kill cattle--it does,.
 

S J H

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Bedfordshire
Not an issue for you? if you have cattle it should be an issue, the cost of testing is a cheap form of insurance to protect your herd, with or without compensation, l thought l was safe enough twenty years ago, closed herd for 25 years, double fenced, no other cattle within a few miles, the whole farm still run on f+m security disinfectant, until eight steers from five miles away broke into our herd, resulting in four years with the loss of our ped. dairy herd, over four hundred head of cattle died and if any one tells you BVD wont kill cattle--it does,.
If that happened, then I expect I’d have to test, but we’re a closed herd, when I did test I think I had the good rating, can’t quite remember know, but we didn’t need to vaccinate to be high health. There’s very little stock around here, and nothing grazes near others.
 

glasshouse

Member
Location
lothians
If you've just had inspection, you have already paid this years protection money🤷‍♂️, might as well comply now and join what will hopefully be a proper insurrection by next time around.
Pioneers are easily picked off.
Be assured the top brass at ADHB, NFU, AICC are monitoring this carefully to see if they have got away with it, and are relying on all this silliness all petering out, and we will all behave after we have had a lie down, had a look at ourselves, and come to our senses.
I am hoping against hope that something sustainable and acceptable to most farmers will emerge from the current dissatisfaction, but it isn't there yet. Jesus, if we can't break free whilst there are supply shortages and high prices, then it will never happen.
You will just be picked off without plenty of wingmen.
Come on, nothing is needed, just dump rt
 

xmilkr

Member
If that happened, then I expect I’d have to test, but we’re a closed herd, when I did test I think I had the good rating, can’t quite remember know, but we didn’t need to vaccinate to be high health. There’s very little stock around here, and nothing grazes near others.
I didnt vaccinate but milk tested clear of BVD every month, no cattle much close to me but these came from five miles away and the buggers ran, maybe the reason was that two had to be shot shortly after escaping, cattle ran always, eight broke into my dairy herd, six were taken home in cattle truck, two escaped but owner said let them find their own way home, one made it one had to be shot, the owner never heard of vaccination.
 

Hfd Cattle

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Hereford
Can you ask Mrs Hfd Cattle to video the ‘handover’ please?😂
Well the inspection finally happened ..... I've left it a couple of days so that I've calmed down !
The lass turned up ......it went downhill fast from there !!
Instead of keeping out of the way I opened my big gob and told her straightaway that I'm not messing about and I haven't time to waste so get on with it ....black looks of OH !
She wanted to look at cattle and sheds .....come on then I said and strode off ....keep up or don't bother I told her !
Got to sheds ....where's the disinfectant she asked ..... Ignored her .
She inspected the handling system and the wanted to run 5 cows and 5 stores through it to read their tags ...I refused and told her to read them in the shed .....I can't see them properly was her reply to which I told her to leave the property !
Walking back down towards the house she attempted to make conversation but I was having none of it . OH came out to see what was going on and took over and queitly calmed the atmosphere a bit .
Inspector then asked to come into house by OH !
All didn't go to well in the house either and ended up with inspector in tears and me being told by OH to go outside and find something to do .
I did that and let off a bit of steam with a cheery phone all to @Celt83 which made me feel a lot better .
Back I go into house to find that the inspector was sat in car on phone to her 'line manager' ...... turns out she had asked the OH some questions that OH thought was irrelevant to RT and none of their business and told the girl what she thought !!!
End result .....a phone call off the 'line manager ' to me asking me to keep out of the house and let her 'officer' do her job as she was a 'trained professional ' and was only doing her job . .....I replied ..how dare you ask me to stay out of my own property you have no right to do that so stick the whole lot up your ass !! .
It appears the inspector had told her that I refused to let her read some ear numbers of cattle . I said that was untrue and I had refused to run 5 cows through the handling system as they were heavy in calf and it was not the right thing to do .....she agreed !!
I then said I told her to read them in the pen .....she agreed !
I also said that the inspection criteria was so far over the top and draconian.....she once again agreed but said it's what we have to do . We did go on to have a decent conversation about the whole RT racket and she assured me that she and her colleagues are continually sending feedback to the 'top line of management' about the criteria of an inspection and the nonsense of a lot of it . She also said that there is a huge push to get 'lifetime' assurance and it will only be a matter of time .

10 mins later ,after reading a text that came through (I suspect off her line manager), we were told "Thankyou very much you have no 'nonconformities ' and you have passed !!

OH said that while I was talking on phone outside the girl said " I need to get finished so I can feed my horses in the light" ....What a Farce !!!
 

BRBX

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
nottingham
These RT inspections are like a ref at a scrum or a line out , can always find something to blow up for no matter what you do. Dont back chat and just march back 10 !!!!!
 

Hfd Cattle

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Hereford
....it appears to mean more to RT that producers pass than it does to the producer .
I had the attitude that I'm not being pushed around by a young whipper snapper who has no idea about the real life in farming !
I used the phrases like stick it up your ass or stuff the nonsense on quite a few occasions and each time she said something like ' I'm sure,we can work together ' !
My narrative above is only a brief part .......her parting words were .."well that's been an education but that's the third time this week this has happened to me !
 

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