Who's joining me?

[Henarar]

....it appears to mean more to RT that producers pass than it does to the producer .
I had the attitude that I'm not being pushed around by a young whipper snapper who has no idea about the real life in farming !
I used the phrases like stick it up your ass or stuff the nonsense on quite a few occasions and each time she said something like ' I'm sure,we can work together ' !
My narrative above is only a brief part .......her parting words were .."well that's been an education but that's the third time this week this has happened to me !

Sounds to me like they don't like the stupid rules any more than you do.
The problem lies with the top end of RT and the bloody NFU for holding with them.
Something needs to be done about them as when things get tighter with BPS going and rising costs then they may face worse than you gave them when they come on farm which is not good, farming can't afford jobsworth parasites like this.

 

[Stewartry hill]

I don’t doubt it’s an issue, but I very much doubt its an issue for me, so can’t really see why i need to be testing to be in red tractor.

Have Scottish farmers have subsidised testing and compensation to cull?

No compensation or subsidised testing

 

[M-J-G]

Well the inspection finally happened ..... I've left it a couple of days so that I've calmed down !
The lass turned up ......it went downhill fast from there !!
Instead of keeping out of the way I opened my big gob and told her straightaway that I'm not messing about and I haven't time to waste so get on with it ....black looks of OH !
She wanted to look at cattle and sheds .....come on then I said and strode off ....keep up or don't bother I told her !
Got to sheds ....where's the disinfectant she asked ..... Ignored her .
She inspected the handling system and the wanted to run 5 cows and 5 stores through it to read their tags ...I refused and told her to read them in the shed .....I can't see them properly was her reply to which I told her to leave the property !
Walking back down towards the house she attempted to make conversation but I was having none of it . OH came out to see what was going on and took over and queitly calmed the atmosphere a bit .
Inspector then asked to come into house by OH !
All didn't go to well in the house either and ended up with inspector in tears and me being told by OH to go outside and find something to do .
I did that and let off a bit of steam with a cheery phone all to @Celt83 which made me feel a lot better .
Back I go into house to find that the inspector was sat in car on phone to her 'line manager' ...... turns out she had asked the OH some questions that OH thought was irrelevant to RT and none of their business and told the girl what she thought !!!
End result .....a phone call off the 'line manager ' to me asking me to keep out of the house and let her 'officer' do her job as she was a 'trained professional ' and was only doing her job . .....I replied ..how dare you ask me to stay out of my own property you have no right to do that so stick the whole lot up your ass !! .
It appears the inspector had told her that I refused to let her read some ear numbers of cattle . I said that was untrue and I had refused to run 5 cows through the handling system as they were heavy in calf and it was not the right thing to do .....she agreed !!
I then said I told her to read them in the pen .....she agreed !
I also said that the inspection criteria was so far over the top and draconian.....she once again agreed but said it's what we have to do . We did go on to have a decent conversation about the whole RT racket and she assured me that she and her colleagues are continually sending feedback to the 'top line of management' about the criteria of an inspection and the nonsense of a lot of it . She also said that there is a huge push to get 'lifetime' assurance and it will only be a matter of time .

10 mins later ,after reading a text that came through (I suspect off her line manager), we were told "Thankyou very much you have no 'nonconformities ' and you have passed !!

OH said that while I was talking on phone outside the girl said " I need to get finished so I can feed my horses in the light" ....What a Farce !!!

You showed them eh!

 

[exmoorromney]

Well the inspection finally happened ..... I've left it a couple of days so that I've calmed down !
The lass turned up ......it went downhill fast from there !!
Instead of keeping out of the way I opened my big gob and told her straightaway that I'm not messing about and I haven't time to waste so get on with it ....black looks of OH !
She wanted to look at cattle and sheds .....come on then I said and strode off ....keep up or don't bother I told her !
Got to sheds ....where's the disinfectant she asked ..... Ignored her .
She inspected the handling system and the wanted to run 5 cows and 5 stores through it to read their tags ...I refused and told her to read them in the shed .....I can't see them properly was her reply to which I told her to leave the property !
Walking back down towards the house she attempted to make conversation but I was having none of it . OH came out to see what was going on and took over and queitly calmed the atmosphere a bit .
Inspector then asked to come into house by OH !
All didn't go to well in the house either and ended up with inspector in tears and me being told by OH to go outside and find something to do .
I did that and let off a bit of steam with a cheery phone all to @Celt83 which made me feel a lot better .
Back I go into house to find that the inspector was sat in car on phone to her 'line manager' ...... turns out she had asked the OH some questions that OH thought was irrelevant to RT and none of their business and told the girl what she thought !!!
End result .....a phone call off the 'line manager ' to me asking me to keep out of the house and let her 'officer' do her job as she was a 'trained professional ' and was only doing her job . .....I replied ..how dare you ask me to stay out of my own property you have no right to do that so stick the whole lot up your ass !! .
It appears the inspector had told her that I refused to let her read some ear numbers of cattle . I said that was untrue and I had refused to run 5 cows through the handling system as they were heavy in calf and it was not the right thing to do .....she agreed !!
I then said I told her to read them in the pen .....she agreed !
I also said that the inspection criteria was so far over the top and draconian.....she once again agreed but said it's what we have to do . We did go on to have a decent conversation about the whole RT racket and she assured me that she and her colleagues are continually sending feedback to the 'top line of management' about the criteria of an inspection and the nonsense of a lot of it . She also said that there is a huge push to get 'lifetime' assurance and it will only be a matter of time .

10 mins later ,after reading a text that came through (I suspect off her line manager), we were told "Thankyou very much you have no 'nonconformities ' and you have passed !!

OH said that while I was talking on phone outside the girl said " I need to get finished so I can feed my horses in the light" ....What a Farce !!!

I don't see how reducing the inspector to tears has accomplished anything! I'm no fan of red tractor but you choose to be a member and therefore know the stipulations, that post just makes you sound like a bully!

 

[Hfd Cattle]

You showed them eh!

Not necessarily but I was having no nonsense . .....
I don't mind things being looked at and questioned but when it has no relevance to the welfare or state of my livestock then it's just wasting time .

 

[Hfd Cattle]

I don't see how reducing the inspector to tears has accomplished anything! I'm no fan of red tractor but you choose to be a member and therefore know the stipulations, that post just makes you sound like a bully!

That's your opinion but I will point out that there are NO rules to say that you must get cattle into a handling system to read ear tags ...which was what she was wanting There are NO rules to say you must have disinfectant buckets between sheds .....which is what she was wanting .....there are NO rules to say I have to get the dog and catch some sheep so she could check them against the on license....which is what she wanted . .....there are NO rules to say you can't buy 'non assured ' cattle onto an assured holding ....which is what she was saying ......and I could go on and on .
When challenged on these issues and she breaks down because she can't answer the question that is NOT bullying it's sheer incompetence....
The final thing I will say is that on Tues this week she asked my OH to up,load. all the info she wanted or needed onto a portal ,which my OH did , .......it's not my fault that she had 'forgotten' to look before she came .
I had no desire to see her in tears but neither did I have any desire to be messed about by an individual who was clearly out of her depth and wasting my time with demands above and beyond what her remit was !
Have never been a bully and will never be one .....but I will not be walked over either !!!
'

 

[M-J-G]

Not necessarily but I was having no nonsense . .....
I don't mind things being looked at and questioned but when it has no relevance to the welfare or state of my livestock then it's just wasting time .

Paragraphs 2 and 3 of your description of how you started things off doesn't make the situation sound like it was particularly balanced.

 

[Bald n Grumpy]

That's your opinion but I will point out that there are NO rules to say that you must get cattle into a handling system to read ear tags ...which was what she was wanting There are NO rules to say you must have disinfectant buckets between sheds .....which is what she was wanting .....there are NO rules to say I have to get the dog and catch some sheep so she could check them against the on license....which is what she wanted . .....there are NO rules to say you can't buy 'non assured ' cattle onto an assured holding ....which is what she was saying ......and I could go on and on .
When challenged on these issues and she breaks down because she can't answer the question that is NOT bullying it's sheer incompetence....
The final thing I will say is that on Tues this week she asked my OH to up,load. all the info she wanted or needed onto a portal ,which my OH did , .......it's not my fault that she had 'forgotten' to look before she came .
I had no desire to see her in tears but neither did I have any desire to be messed about by an individual who was clearly out of her depth and wasting my time with demands above and beyond what her remit was !
Have never been a bully and will never be one .....but I will not be walked over either !!!
'

Sounds like she needs to work on her people skills if it happened three times in a week. Have been lucky with RT auditors but have complained and refused to have one back on the farm as he upset sister and mother whilst I was busy on silage. He was a failed farmer with a chip on both shoulders. Another audit was going a bit rough when my response to one of the irrelevant questions was "you might as well ask me what I'd do if little green men landed on the yard" she laughed and things went OK. Another one has not been back because after he left he added something to the things to do sheet after I had already signed it.
And none of us should be pushed around on our on property we deserve some respect

 

[Bald n Grumpy]

I don't see how reducing the inspector to tears has accomplished anything! I'm no fan of red tractor but you choose to be a member and therefore know the stipulations, that post just makes you sound like a bully!

Don't assume tears mean that the poor little lady was upset.
Might just be a reaction to not getting her own way

 

[Highland Mule]

Paragraphs 2 and 3 of your description of how you started things off doesn't make the situation sound like it was particularly balanced.

It reads like there are anger management issues.

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Paragraphs 2 and 3 of your description of how you started things off doesn't make the situation sound like it was particularly balanced.

It was destined to get off to a bad start .
Original appointment was 2.30 then a text arrived at 8.15 asking can it be changed to 11 am to whichvwe agreed then at 9.43 another text changing to 4pm to which we agreed to again then another text at 2.30 saying the 2.30 appointment was cancelled at last minute so can she come straight away . Yes I said and it was quarter to 4 before she turned up saying .....I went to get some feed for my horse on the way .... I feel I was very accommodating !

 

[Hfd Cattle]

It reads like there are anger management issues.

She could get some counselling for it

 

[Bald n Grumpy]

It was destined to get off to a bad start .
Original appointment was 2.30 then a text arrived at 8.15 asking can it be changed to 11 am to whichvwe agreed then at 9.43 another text changing to 4pm to which we agreed to again then another text at 2.30 saying the 2.30 appointment was cancelled at last minute so can she come straight away . Yes I said and it was quarter to 4 before she turned up saying .....I went to get some feed for my horse on the way .... I feel I was very accommodating !

Very professional, think you were very obliging I'd have told her to do one a lot sooner

 

[M-J-G]

It was destined to get off to a bad start .
Original appointment was 2.30 then a text arrived at 8.15 asking can it be changed to 11 am to whichvwe agreed then at 9.43 another text changing to 4pm to which we agreed to again then another text at 2.30 saying the 2.30 appointment was cancelled at last minute so can she come straight away . Yes I said and it was quarter to 4 before she turned up saying .....I went to get some feed for my horse on the way .... I feel I was very accommodating !

Very unprofessional by the sounds of it.
It seems like you guys don't have a very well run scheme down there.

 

[Hfd Cattle]

Very unprofessional by the sounds of it.
It seems like you guys don't have a very well run scheme down there.

I think they have had a lot of Assessors leave.

 

[Werzle]

Well the inspection finally happened ..... I've left it a couple of days so that I've calmed down !
The lass turned up ......it went downhill fast from there !!
Instead of keeping out of the way I opened my big gob and told her straightaway that I'm not messing about and I haven't time to waste so get on with it ....black looks of OH !
She wanted to look at cattle and sheds .....come on then I said and strode off ....keep up or don't bother I told her !
Got to sheds ....where's the disinfectant she asked ..... Ignored her .
She inspected the handling system and the wanted to run 5 cows and 5 stores through it to read their tags ...I refused and told her to read them in the shed .....I can't see them properly was her reply to which I told her to leave the property !
Walking back down towards the house she attempted to make conversation but I was having none of it . OH came out to see what was going on and took over and queitly calmed the atmosphere a bit .
Inspector then asked to come into house by OH !
All didn't go to well in the house either and ended up with inspector in tears and me being told by OH to go outside and find something to do .
I did that and let off a bit of steam with a cheery phone all to @Celt83 which made me feel a lot better .
Back I go into house to find that the inspector was sat in car on phone to her 'line manager' ...... turns out she had asked the OH some questions that OH thought was irrelevant to RT and none of their business and told the girl what she thought !!!
End result .....a phone call off the 'line manager ' to me asking me to keep out of the house and let her 'officer' do her job as she was a 'trained professional ' and was only doing her job . .....I replied ..how dare you ask me to stay out of my own property you have no right to do that so stick the whole lot up your ass !! .
It appears the inspector had told her that I refused to let her read some ear numbers of cattle . I said that was untrue and I had refused to run 5 cows through the handling system as they were heavy in calf and it was not the right thing to do .....she agreed !!
I then said I told her to read them in the pen .....she agreed !
I also said that the inspection criteria was so far over the top and draconian.....she once again agreed but said it's what we have to do . We did go on to have a decent conversation about the whole RT racket and she assured me that she and her colleagues are continually sending feedback to the 'top line of management' about the criteria of an inspection and the nonsense of a lot of it . She also said that there is a huge push to get 'lifetime' assurance and it will only be a matter of time .

10 mins later ,after reading a text that came through (I suspect off her line manager), we were told "Thankyou very much you have no 'nonconformities ' and you have passed !!

OH said that while I was talking on phone outside the girl said " I need to get finished so I can feed my horses in the light" ....What a Farce !!!

Shows its a farce when they didnt just say you had failed, line manager ought to be sacked for allowing it. Feel sorry for the young lass tbh but taking an inspectors job is like being a traffic warden , you know before you start that abuse is part of the job. Fair play for passing though

 

[M-J-G]

I think they have had a lot of Assessors leave.

Did you scare them all away?

 

[Bald n Grumpy]

Shows its a farce when they didnt just say you had failed, line manager ought to be sacked for allowing it. Feel sorry for the young lass tbh but taking an inspectors job is like being a traffic warden , you know before you start that abuse is part of the job. Fair play for passing though

Why do you feel sorry for her? Very unprofessional and cared more about her horses rather than the job she was paid to do. And as for abuse I think Hfd cattle was very tolerant all things considered.

 

[Werzle]

Why do you feel sorry for her? Very unprofessional and cared more about her horses rather than the job she was paid to do. And as for abuse I think Hfd cattle was very tolerant all things considered.

Anybody dealing with grumpy old c###s day in day out gets my sympathy

 

[Bald n Grumpy]

Do your job like the trained professional you are supposed to be and maybe the old c###s wouldn't be so grumpy.
Would your opinion and others on here have been the same if the auditor was a middle aged male?