Why are UCN bodies not allowed in competition?

[keith armitage]

Not sure if it's the same in the UK, but over this side of the Irish sea UCN bodies are not allowed. Has anyone on here got any ideas why they're not allowed or is there a bit of history behind the reason? Surely it's time for an appeal.

 

[Tonym]

You could use them in World Style but you would be outclassed. They are not permitted in Classic because they were not available on the 1976 cut off date.
Until new rules to include later tractors and plough are introduced or a new class is started they are not permitted.

 

[keith armitage]

Thanks for that. What year did they become available?

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Thanks for that. What year did they become available?

it was the late 1960s when they came out

 

[Mydexta]

Bring them over to Scotland, they are legal in our classic class

 

[Hotbed]

So if they came out in the late 60's and 76 is the cut off date, why are they not allowed ?.

 

[Ley253]

So if they came out in the late 60's and 76 is the cut off date, why are they not allowed ?.

Because they are catered for in the world style class, and considered a world style board

 

[Hotbed]

So as I've just brought a Bamford Kverneland hydrein 14 inch, is that allowed in the classic class ?.

 

[wuddy]

So as I've just brought a Bamford Kverneland hydrein 14 inch, is that allowed in the classic class ?.

Where are you from?

 

[Hotbed]

East Sussex.

 

[arcobob]

So if they came out in the late 60's and 76 is the cut off date, why are they not allowed ?.

Contact the SOP. UCN,SCN,YCN and Hydrein are just a can of worms. These discussions just go on and on and nobody has yet come up with a plausible explanation. In the meantime you have to follow the rule book or mount a campaign to change it. Good luck

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

I am lead to believe that the ban on later bodies was to be able to keep the TS86, the Ramsomes match plough to be compitive in the classic class, so really meaning that RWM and TCN are really the newest bodies that can be fitted as both were available when the TS86 was made, yes bonning were fitted later, but after they stopped making the TS86,
therefore the later likes of SCN, USN Bonning, etc are banned, along with other manufacture's that were better than or could be better in the right hands than the likes of the TCN,

I will stand to be corrected, but this is what I was told by an old ploughman

 

[Ley253]

It is well to remember that the vintage and classic classes are "living museums", related to certain periods of time, allowing later bodies/ploughs etc, will destroy this and with it, the class reason for existence.

 

[arcobob]

I am lead to believe that the ban on later bodies was to be able to keep the TS86, the Ramsomes match plough to be compitive in the classic class, so really meaning that RWM and TCN are really the newest bodies that can be fitted as both were available when the TS86 was made, yes bonning were fitted later, but after they stopped making the TS86,
therefore the later likes of SCN, USN Bonning, etc are banned, along with other manufacture's that were better than or could be better in the right hands than the likes of the TCN,

I will stand to be corrected, but this is what I was told by an old ploughman

SCN pre dates all of these by quite some margin so where does the 1976 rule apply other than to tractors ? Were the rules concocted to give commercial advantage to Ransomes ? If so Classic is an artificially manipulated class based on outdated commercial constraints.

 

[arcobob]

SCN pre dates all of these by quite some margin so where does the 1976 rule apply other than to tractors ? Were the rules concocted to give commercial advantage to Ransomes ? If so Classic is an artificially manipulated class based on outdated commercial constraints.

It is well to remember that the vintage and classic classes are "living museums", related to certain periods of time, allowing later bodies/ploughs etc, will destroy this and with it, the class reason for existence.

The SCN was first introduced in 1951 as a bar point body and later modified to take conventional points and wings. This modified type was first introduced in 1960, thus pre dating the TCN (1964) and the RWM. I can find no reference to the date of introduction of the RWM but the original offering on the TS86 is stated as "Epic, TCN+special body." There was also another match plough from Ransomes called the TS87 where SCN and Epic were offered.

 

[Hotbed]

I'd would have thought that if you chose a date start and a date finish, then the plough's and plough base's produced between these date's should be allowed.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

1976 or per Q cab is the cut off date for the tractors,
as for the ploughs see post 12,
I am not saying I agree with it, but think that is the reason for it

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

The SCN was first introduced in 1951 as a bar point body and later modified to take conventional points and wings. This modified type was first introduced in 1960,

so when was TCN introduced ?

edit i read your post again 1964

 

[Ley253]

There may also be a leaning towards the more attractive work. Some bodies are lacking in this aspect, and if used, would not be competitive, leading to more "them and us" angst!

 

[Mydexta]

We can use scn in our vintage class up here, as long as it is the bar point version, the version with socks and shares are allowed in our classic class