Why are UCN bodies not allowed in competition?

[arcobob]

1976 or per Q cab is the cut off date for the tractors,
as for the ploughs see post 12,
I am not saying I agree with it, but think that is the reason for it

To quote the rule book verbatim dated 2012 (not the latest) under Classic Ploughing (a) Mounted ploughs in production before 31st December 1976, but excluding Fiskars, Kverneland Hydrien and Super Hydrien and Ransomes/Bonning, YCN,UCN and SCN bodies are not allowed.
(b) Plough bodies to be in production before 31st. December 1976.
If these excluded bodies do not fall outside the date rule they are specifically excluded for a reason. What reason?

 

[arcobob]

We can use scn in our vintage class up here, as long as it is the bar point version, the version with socks and shares are allowed in our classic class

Absolutely in line with the date ruling but specifically excluded in England. Strangely enough the SCN bar point is not excluded in vintage ploughing and must be alllowed under the date rule

 

[arcobob]

There may also be a leaning towards the more attractive work. Some bodies are lacking in this aspect, and if used, would not be competitive, leading to more "them and us" angst!

Epics are allowed in all classes but are seldom competetive in any.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

To quote the rule book verbatim dated 2012 (not the latest) under Classic Ploughing (a) Mounted ploughs in production before 31st December 1976, but excluding Fiskars, Kverneland Hydrien and Super Hydrien and Ransomes/Bonning, YCN,UCN and SCN bodies are not allowed.
(b) Plough bodies to be in production before 31st. December 1976.
If these excluded bodies do not fall outside the date rule they are specifically excluded for a reason. What reason?

so what bodies does that leave ?

 

[Ley253]

To quote the rule book verbatim dated 2012 (not the latest) under Classic Ploughing (a) Mounted ploughs in production before 31st December 1976, but excluding Fiskars, Kverneland Hydrien and Super Hydrien and Ransomes/Bonning, YCN,UCN and SCN bodies are not allowed.
(b) Plough bodies to be in production before 31st. December 1976.
If these excluded bodies do not fall outside the date rule they are specifically excluded for a reason. What reason?

Earlier rule books gave the reason, and that is they were considered to be "match" bodies, and were therefore confined to the world style class. Quite how RWMs crept in I dont know!

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Quite how RWMs crept in I dont know!

its all to do with the TS86 plough

 

[arcobob]

so what bodies does that leave ?

its all to do with the TS86 plough

Therefore, as I suggested earlier, it is an artificial class concocted on outdated commercial interests preserving Ransomes dominance at the time. Not surprising that the Europeans stick two fingers up and use their own match boards.

 

[Ley253]

Therefore, as I suggested earlier, it is an artificial class concocted on outdated commercial interests preserving Ransomes dominance at the time. Not surprising that the Europeans stick two fingers up and use their own match boards.

And win nothing worthwhile! All classes are "artificial" if not, they could not exist!

 

[Cordiale]

We can use scn in our vintage class up here, as long as it is the bar point version, the version with socks and shares are allowed in our classic class

It seems to me that the Scottish ploughing scene is much more competitor friendly, judging by the above and other comments you have posted on here.
Maybe those in the SOP hierarchy should take note!

 

[keith armitage]

To quote the rule book verbatim dated 2012 (not the latest) under Classic Ploughing (a) Mounted ploughs in production before 31st December 1976, but excluding Fiskars, Kverneland Hydrien and Super Hydrien and Ransomes/Bonning, YCN,UCN and SCN bodies are not allowed.
(b) Plough bodies to be in production before 31st. December 1976.
If these excluded bodies do not fall outside the date rule they are specifically excluded for a reason. What reason?

Has anything changed since 2012 regarding body type? Do judges actually check the bodies? I'm new to all this, I only started ploughing a few years ago and have never entered a competition as my plough has UCN bodies.

 

[wuddy]

Has anything changed since 2012 regarding body type? Do judges actually check the bodies? I'm new to all this, I only started ploughing a few years ago and have never entered a competition as my plough has UCN bodies.

It is not up to the judges, they are there to judge the work not the plough (or should be)! Sure the conversation has been had on here before about the stewards not doing or knowing their job!

 

[Tonym]

I think as it stands now the ploughs are scutinised by the competitors. A blind eye is turned until you get in the prizes but when you do there will be a queue to put in complaints about your illegal boards.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

I think as it stands now the ploughs are scutinised by the competitors. A blind eye is turned until you get in the prizes but when you do there will be a queue to put in complaints about your illegal boards.

this is so true, right on the head of the nail

 

[Cordiale]

It is not up to the judges, they are there to judge the work not the plough (or should be)! Sure the conversation has been had on here before about the stewards not doing or knowing their job!

I have to confess that until I started reading these posts that I was totally ignorant of the rules governing classic class, and I believe that some of the organisers are too.
I entered one match and enrolled in the match plough class. On the entry form you had to give age of tractor and plough. Tractor I H 674 circa 1972 plough Fiskars 1975 I was first in class and won the classic class which I didn't even enter.
At another match the society chairman told me that classic only related to tractor and not plough.
So maybe that some organisers are not up to speed let alone stewards.

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

I have to confess that until I started reading these posts that I was totally ignorant of the rules governing classic class, and I believe that some of the organisers are too.
I entered one match and enrolled in the match plough class. On the entry form you had to give age of tractor and plough. Tractor I H 674 circa 1972 plough Fiskars 1975 I was first in class and won the classic class which I didn't even enter.
At another match the society chairman told me that classic only related to tractor and not plough.
So maybe that some organisers are not up to speed let alone stewards.

but it may depend on where you are from, what part of the country are you

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

The SCN was first introduced in 1951 as a bar point body and later modified to take conventional points and wings. This modified type was first introduced in 1960, thus pre dating the TCN (1964) and the RWM. I can find no reference to the date of introduction of the RWM but the original offering on the TS86 is stated as "Epic, TCN+special body." There was also another match plough from Ransomes called the TS87 where SCN and Epic were offered.

so what was the models of Ransome ploughs that the SCN was an option

 

[wuddy]

so what was the models of Ransome ploughs that the SCN was an option

Ts64 would be the first I think then was avaliable ts82 reversible and most of the new theme e.g. Ts90 91 etc

 

[Pennine Ploughing]

Ts64 would be the first I think then was avaliable ts82 reversible and most of the new theme e.g. Ts90 91 etc

when did the TS64 come out

 

[wuddy]

when did the TS64 come out

Early fifties and as with the scn bar point the scn point and share body was mid sixties! iirc

 

[Hotbed]

so what bodies does that leave ?

All the crappie one's that don't plough very well