Why can't wind fallen trees be cleared?

[startinghandle]

I know of 2 estates where wind fallen trees cannot be cleared but I don't know why

 

[grainboy]

Can’t be bothered

 

[Dry Rot]

Wind blow trees were probably a perk of the estate staff for firewood. Then someone cut a green tree and the privilege was removed? I've seen that happen.

 

[neilo]

I know of 2 estates where wind fallen trees cannot be cleared but I don't know why

The Glastir Whole Farm code says you have to leave fallen wood, as it’s habitat for lots of insects as it decays.
You are allowed to clear a certain cubic m for firewood though.

 

[egbert]

Is this that tenants don't own the timber?
Or that the land is under agreement to retain a proportion of dead wood for invertebrates?

 

[farmerm]

Some stewardship options prohibit removal of fallen timber though you can stack it at base of the tree... though if the EA dont hear the timber fall did it fall?

 

[DrWazzock]

Even ELS wouldn’t allow clearance of fallen trees. That’s why we don’t bother with “schemes”. Firewood is renewable energy.,don’t see anything wrong with using it.

 

[grainboy]

What a load of old rubbish,
Estate I used to get tons of firewood off, changed,
Oh we leave the piles of corded timber for the insects,
This is in a 150 acre wood, unbelievable the crap that is commissioned now days,
No income. No viable wood for the future, !!

 

[neilo]

Some stewardship options prohibit removal of fallen timber though you can stack it at base of the tree... though if the EA dont hear the timber fall did it fall?

Most of mine gets stolen by folks in the town. Bloody tidiers.

 

[renewablejohn]

Local town had that policy of any trees felled had to remain on site with brash used for habitat. Policy only lasted 6 months until the timber was dry enough to burn then after numerous fires which the fire brigade had to put out. the policy changed to all timber including brash cleared from site the same day as felled.

 

[glasshouse]

I know of 2 estates where wind fallen trees cannot be cleared but I don't know why

Cant be arsed

 

[Bald Rick]

Interestingly, old trees may well have their own “bespoke” insect colonies that remain with the tree even when it falls over and decays.

Fascinating stuff nature

 

[Ffermer Bach]

our landscape is too managed by us, to look tidy. I read an article many years ago, talking about natural woodland and the amount of debris and dead wood they had, and I think the article said in the UK there is no woodland with a natural amount of dead wood in it. Nature looks untidy. That's why, I plan to leave the Ash trees here until they fall over (then I will clear them up - I know what is best for nature, but all farming is a compromise between nature and production)

 

[neilo]

I’m wondering if the OP has been here.

The centre of this farm is a 16th Century deer park, with lots of old majestic oaks dating from that time that are now starting to fall over. There are currently two were the trunks are left were they fell (the limbs being cleared for firewood obviously), and they make great lambing shelter.

 

[bluebell]

havnt people forgot their history taught at schools of the UK from ironage settlements and the beginning of farming? all or nearly all of europe has been farmed, even uninhabitated islands were farmed from thousands of years ago up to recently, this countries countryside has been managed, farmed by man for thousands of years, Unlike the american continent , australia , africia etc etc were mans development in virgin unspoilt land is having a speeding up impact? I remember a few years ago in the farmers weekly they were talking about a farm in canada growing wheat, the wheat crop being grown was the first ever crop being grown on this land, or of any crop, before total native land? Compare it to fields in the UK, metal detecting shows much of the long history of these fields ?

 

[CPF]

If you don’t manage woodland properly and clean up wood properly and just leave it alone and this happens everything dies and it all has to start again been there seen it very scary . I can see it happening in the UK with this rewilding ,if we get a dry year all that dry bushel land going up in smoke.

 

[bluebell]

thats common sense? same as the recent fires seen on the moors? a result of lack of maintence, these so called educated people have the idea that just leaving some land alone everything is all right? well try that on a small scale in a back garden for a couple of years?

 

[bluebell]

what they fail to mention, and again common sense tells you? the biggest threat facing the world and here in the UK is population growth, and by that the development that brings, something like between 12-30,000 acres a year of land mostly farmland lost to development? the USA is losing a staggering 15,000 acres a day?.

 

[DrWazzock]

If you don’t manage woodland properly and clean up wood properly and just leave it alone and this happens everything dies and it all has to start again been there seen it very scary . I can see it happening in the UK with this rewilding ,if we get a dry year all that dry bushel land going up in smoke.

I can see that happening. Left some trimmings in our wood; feeling good about sequestration but as they get dryer and dryer it’s just a large fire waiting to happen. Rambler fag end and up she goes.

 

[neilo]

I can see that happening. Left some trimmings in our wood; feeling good about sequestration but as they get dryer and dryer it’s just a large fire waiting to happen. Rambler fag end and up she goes.

The estate have been harvesting some of their woods in the last few years. Trunks have been removed and all the brash is windrowed up between the stumps, the rows being about 10’ wide and 6’ high. Great habitat, but now tinder dry and some of it right by the road….