Why Devon farmers will soon be extinct.

[Kiwi Pete]

Have any Devon farmers gone extinct yet? I'm still here but I have to admit that I'm not a real farmer, only a lad with a few chickens. Anyone ceased to exist? Starting to think this thread is a bit of a hoax.

 

[Henarar]

Because you seem to think that one can operate without interacting in the market place regardless ,walking away is ok if you have somewhere to walk too , may be you can , I have done several times but there is a limit , but why should I work twice as hard to get the same result as next door ? why should I pack up if perhaps I''m doing a better job (I emphasis perhaps ) . Why should I cross comply for someone elses benefit ? Why should sign to endemnify them ?

I suppose you have to do most of those things because you signed up to do them, my point is if no one sighed up to it no one would have to

 

[Henarar]

Have any Devon farmers gone extinct yet? I'm still here but I have to admit that I'm not a real farmer, only a lad with a few chickens. Anyone ceased to exist? Starting to think this thread is a bit of a hoax.

I am not so sure, we went down to Devon this morning and there didn't seem much going on, even the A30 was quiet

 

[Pasty]

I am not so sure, we went down to Devon this morning and there didn't seem much going on, even the A30 was quiet

That's it then. All gone. Oh well. It's for the best.

 

[Henarar]

That's it then. All gone. Oh well. It's for the best.

The trouble is when Devon is all overgrown being right on the boarder we will have all sorts of wild animals coming out of the wilderness taking sheep and cattle and the odd person
No change there then

 

[Kiwi Pete]

The trouble is when Devon is all overgrown being right on the boarder we will have all sorts of wild animals coming out of the wilderness taking sheep and cattle and the odd person
No change there then

 

[digger64]

I suppose you have to do most of those things because you signed up to do them, my point is if no one sighed up to it no one would have to

But they have and they are spineless

 

[Henarar]

Perhaps the biggest problem for farmers isn't another farmer perhaps its farming itself
Always thought that if farming was as desirable a job as relining sewage pipes then there would be good money in farming, in other words loads of people want to be farmers and farmers love to farm in fact they will do more farming for nothing given half a chance.
If your job was crawling up a two foot sewer pipe full of god knows what in a wet suit would you want to do more on sat and sun for nothing ? no didn't think so

 

[Kiwi Pete]

Perhaps the biggest problem for farmers isn't another farmer perhaps its farming itself
Always thought that if farming was as desirable a job as relining sewage pipes then there would be good money in farming, in other words loads of people want to be farmers and farmers love to farm in fact they will do more farming for nothing given half a chance.
If your job was crawling up a two foot sewer pipe full of god knows what in a wet suit would you want to do more on sat and sun for nothing ? no didn't think so

I hear you there.
I'm happily running at a loss this first year and still find it hard to chip the grin off my dial. Family moved in a year today. Down 4k for the year so far is all.
Even ground the end off my thumb in my own workshop and was happy to go back afterwards with a whisky and a bandaid and crack on.
As long as it doesn't run at a loss every year I'll be happy enough and so will the bank.
Such is life

 

[Bossfarmer]

Yes it is one way, it can bring the smaller farmers out of the ever decreasing circle they may find them selves in. The enviormental grants exist in one form our another but again they were blanket applied where by anyone could get them, and to pay for them every farmer had a base deduction to their farm subsidy....deducted at source.
I have to say at what level or size do we expect someone to make a living as just a farmer? it's an important question. And what can we do to help farmers get to it over a realistic interval?

If we over support the very small long term we are not helping them with subsidies any more than we helped the big farmers stay efficient. If support is given that's extra and above normal support what ever that is, then it's has to be set to reach a goal of some type, not just here's money to make your life easier, it's hears some money expand your farm by 10% over the next 3 years. Or the result is not going to be a sustainable farming industry.

If subsidies were put on the sliding scale of size, and help was given for small farmers to grow by means of rented land, and the large are disincentives from taking on rented land, and I would even go as far as it's made disproportionately expensive for farms over a size to take extra rented land it would see rents drop to small farm friendly levels when they don't have 2000 acres they own to offset it. If the subsidy system was fine tuned it could encourage farmers to let land to other smaller farmers in some way. That buy letting land out cheap to a small farmer it was monetarily encouraged.......
Because let's face it, if every farm was farming the sweet spot amount of land that offered a living wage without large or any subsidies, all the better.
The public cannot be afraid of letting farmers prosper as long as it's in the publics long term interest, as land to active farmers has only a paper value, not a real one.

the uk government had the choice whether to cap sfp at 150k or leave it uncapped, they chose not to cap it

 

[cudota]

the uk government had the choice whether to cap sfp at 150k or leave it uncapped, they chose not to cap it

Should have capped it about 20 grand things would be more realistic now

 

[Henarar]

Should have capped it about 20 grand things would be more realistic now

why would anyone need more ?

 

[Bossfarmer]

why would anyone need more ?

Whats 20grand when a decent powered tractor is 80k, , combines 150k, drill 40k etc etc etc im 8k a year just to insure the kit and sheds

 

[gone up the hill]

Whats 20grand when a decent powered tractor is 80k, , combines 150k, drill 40k etc etc etc im 8k a year just to insure the kit and sheds

TBH the price of tractors has got totally out of hand and is totally unsustainable in the long term with or without subs!

 

[milkloss]

Whats 20grand when a decent powered tractor is 80k, , combines 150k, drill 40k etc etc etc im 8k a year just to insure the kit and sheds

Yeah, but you've got a massive farm........must be minted I reckon

 

[Henarar]

Whats 20grand

keep you alive

 

[Tarw Coch]

Whats 20grand when a decent powered tractor is 80k, , combines 150k, drill 40k etc etc etc im 8k a year just to insure the kit and sheds

20 grand is enough to live on, maybe not a plush life but you'll get by, if you can't make a bit on the side from 1300 acres you're doing something wrong.

 

[Bossfarmer]

Yeah, but you've got a massive farm........must be minted I reckon

Not at all, i need machinery to farm it properly though and the time you kit yourself out, pay repairs and keep things up to date/insured 20k is a drop in the ocean anyone saying its a lot doesnt understand the real costs of producing food

 

[Bossfarmer]

20 grand is enough to live on, maybe not a plush life but you'll get by, if you can't make a bit on the side from 1300 acres you're doing something wrong.

Myself and brother families plus parents to keep its not just me

 

[Tarw Coch]

Myself and brother families plus parents to keep its not just me

Play the system, split it in 3, 20 grand per family and 400 odd acres to make a bit on.