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Why do Scottish Nationialists prefer EU to British Rule?
- Thread starter DrWazzock
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I think it's just a matter of sidestepping England, plus a way of creating leverage to keep the independance question open. Plus an independant Scotland out of Europe would be small and isolated and would wish to be part of a "club" to prevent the inevitable drain and drag of a bigger neighbour.
Err... well - actually -
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More competent leadership?
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The same question could apply to Eire. Fought so fiercely for home rule yet now so willing to have its future mapped out by people abroad.
I'm not arguing with it, just trying to understand why.
Maybe EU seen as a neutral external power and so far it hasn't had to deliver any really nasty medicine, but what would happen if it hit hard times? Would people really be willing to face hardship at the behest of foreign masters, such as high interest rates or taxes.
I'm not arguing with it, just trying to understand why.
Maybe EU seen as a neutral external power and so far it hasn't had to deliver any really nasty medicine, but what would happen if it hit hard times? Would people really be willing to face hardship at the behest of foreign masters, such as high interest rates or taxes.
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I notice that Spain has now dropped it's opposition to Scotland rejoining the EU.
I hear many people saying that one of the great advantages of the EU was that it has avoided wars in Europe over the last few decades.
However, over Brexit it seems as if the EU is doing everything to ensure that a war starts - causing problems over Gibraltar, now Scotland and before long over Northern Ireland . Do they want to finish by war what they tired to start by war in 1939 - German dominances over every part of Europe.
The EUs attitude to the UK leaving sets out very starkly why we should be leaving this 'club'. To be honest, it has got to the point that no matter how bad leaving becomes financially, I think we just have to do it anyway.
However, over Brexit it seems as if the EU is doing everything to ensure that a war starts - causing problems over Gibraltar, now Scotland and before long over Northern Ireland . Do they want to finish by war what they tired to start by war in 1939 - German dominances over every part of Europe.
The EUs attitude to the UK leaving sets out very starkly why we should be leaving this 'club'. To be honest, it has got to the point that no matter how bad leaving becomes financially, I think we just have to do it anyway.
it seems they can't see past the end of their own big nose stuck in the air, that is why we voted leave in the first place its the EU's fault no one else
War and military force has been mentioned by former Tory leader M Howard over the weekend. Don't recall any EU representative going so far as to say such stupid things.
Britain on the other hand in its EU lifetime has gone to war on more than one occasion. It's military is never idle to be honest. Has never been so for centuries. Somewhere in the world somebody is getting killed by the British state pretty much all the time. Simultaneously it's armaments industry is selling stuff for more killing to all sorts of nasty bastewards around the globe.
Don't even think of being high and mighty or taking the high moral ground when it comes to making war!
Meanwhile Spain keeps its composure and tells the Brits to "calm down dear".
Spain Tells U.K. to Keep Its Cool After Falklands Comparison
https://bloom.bg/2o1qghf
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Michael Howard had to say it because of the way the EU was acting. The EU did not say it, but their stance over Gibraltar has caused it.
if they make a fuss over Gibraltar best tell them to pee off, what are they going to do try to invade, wouldn't be the first time
Danllan
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In re the SNP... the usual opinions from both sides, mine included, and it's getting repetitive. So I'll not bother with criticising any opinions or putting forward my own, just sticking to facts.
The SNP argument is entirely rational within their own 'world'; they want a Scotland outside of the UK, regardless of what anyone else thinks or wants, or what the numbers say, that is their red line. This is the only way, for them, that Scotland can escape the oppressive yoke of Westminster - 'Westminster' being the SNP euphemism for 'England'.
Scotland out of the UK will be free from the rule of 'Westminster', but most certainly not from its very, very strong influence. And should it join the EU, still unlikely if one takes into account the most recent example of Spanish reliability (Spain lurches from posture to posture to distract from colossal internal problems and, anyway, will do what its paymasters tell it), it will have to adopt the Euro and have its own laws subservient to: EU Treaties; ECJ Rulings; EC Regulations and EC Directives, giving it only a notional sovereignty as 'competences' are 'shared with' (i.e. surrendered to) the EU.
But, clearly, they think all that and probable economic difficulty are worth it to be free from 'Westminster' (i.e. England)...
More or less true, especially from an Irish perspective but, on the other side of the coin, we never kowtowed to Hitler...
The SNP argument is entirely rational within their own 'world'; they want a Scotland outside of the UK, regardless of what anyone else thinks or wants, or what the numbers say, that is their red line. This is the only way, for them, that Scotland can escape the oppressive yoke of Westminster - 'Westminster' being the SNP euphemism for 'England'.
Scotland out of the UK will be free from the rule of 'Westminster', but most certainly not from its very, very strong influence. And should it join the EU, still unlikely if one takes into account the most recent example of Spanish reliability (Spain lurches from posture to posture to distract from colossal internal problems and, anyway, will do what its paymasters tell it), it will have to adopt the Euro and have its own laws subservient to: EU Treaties; ECJ Rulings; EC Regulations and EC Directives, giving it only a notional sovereignty as 'competences' are 'shared with' (i.e. surrendered to) the EU.
But, clearly, they think all that and probable economic difficulty are worth it to be free from 'Westminster' (i.e. England)...
More or less true, especially from an Irish perspective but, on the other side of the coin, we never kowtowed to Hitler...
caveman
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Not gonna happen with both countries being members of NATO.
Or have Spain not paid their subs recently?
Or have Spain not paid their subs recently?
I would think the softening of attitude to Scotland rejoining the EU would be something to do with easing the path for an inclusion / annexation of Gibraltar, which voted overwhelmingly to stay in, I think. If Scotland is handed an olive branch, maybe those in Gibraltar will see Spain as having a balanced and reasonable attitude which encourages them to accept Spanish rule, for the sake of EU membership.
I still don't think Scotland would find it easy to rejoin the EU, though; even if the majority of Scots genuinely wanted to in a referendum unclouded by other issues.
I still don't think Scotland would find it easy to rejoin the EU, though; even if the majority of Scots genuinely wanted to in a referendum unclouded by other issues.
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Michael Howard evidently needs to keep his mouth shut and visit his doctor asap. Stupid statements like his help no one.
ThatsSomeSheep
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My personal answer:
Firstly, I define myself as Scottish. Never British.
Politically I would like Scotland to be like any other self governing nation, ie not ruled (your word) by its larger neighbour.
On the EU question, personally I am pro EU, I believe it is a force of cooperation, not "rule".
That said, I recognise that if Scotland gains independence, it will be for Scottish voters to decide on future issues such as EU membership etc.
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