Why do Scottish Nationialists prefer EU to British Rule?

caveman

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East Sussex.
I asked henarar if he agreed.You replied and said Nope. Now you say you were not agreeing or disagreeing with me, but you were, you disagreed by saying Nope when I asked if another poster agreed.

Here is what I posted about IQ :



Your sample of 4 people is statistically insignificant. You know the old lies, damned lies and statistics. Theoretically you could be correct, but given 60-odd million people I am sure you are not going to find three quarters of them have an IQ at a level sufficiently high that only one quarter is below the mean.

I accept too that it may not be an exactly equal split - it could quite easliy be 52% and 48%, so I acknowlede that my 50:50 split was being overly simplistic. My point though, that the bottom 25% of a population is unlikely to think in the same way as, say, the top 25% is, I believe, still valid.

Nope again.
I said nope........ as in your suggestion on the statistics was wrong.
That is all.
I am obviously not intelligent enough to get my message across to you.
Or your such an educated idiot that you can't think outside of the box.
Hey ho.
I note your introduction of the word "mean" in your last post.
Your obviously assuming my "nope" was directed as an answer to your question to Henerar......
Much as.....
Your suggestion that many of the Scots assumed the question on the ballot paper was directed at Scottish membership of the EU only.
Or as many chose to read as gospel (for purposes of their own pathetic counter) that £350 million and NHS written on the side of a bus meant that the NHS would be in receipt of £350 each and every week, guaranteed, after the winning of a vote.
Hey ho again.
 
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DrWazzock

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Arable Farmer
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Lincolnshire
Well....after 40 odd years of North Sea oil the UK has a 1.7 trillion pound debt and Norway has 200 billion in the bank.If I thought Scotland incapable of running its own affairs I know who I DONT want to run them for us.

But the good thing about the UK is we are big enough to share the gain as well as the pain. Yet small enough for there to be a reasonable degree of meaningful rather than theoretical democracy and we have speed of maneouvrability on the world stage.

As North Sea reserves dwindle, other opportunities arise around the UK for shale gas for example. The benefits of this will be shared around the UK so that particular regions don't experience a "hunger and a bust" situation. For a smaller country to put all its eggs in one basket creates the very real risk of a serious hardship as economic circumstances change.

And like it or not, and I don't particularly like it myself, they say the City accounts for a large proportion of wealth generated for the UK and pays for a good proportion of the welfare system enjoyed by the whole of the U.K. So again, if we break the United Kingdom up, we will eventually see regions very vulnerable to their geographical assets and prone to severe hardship during changing economic conditions. Being part of the U.K. smooths out some of these highs and lows as we benefit from a bigger more diverse economy.

And then there is the matter of defence. I really can't see much merit in having to set up new defence forces for each region of the UK. The SNP anti nuclear stance would leave it in a very difficult position on defence in the event of independence. I just don't think they've thought it through.
 

Danllan

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Sir Gar / Carms
Choose to forget a neutral nation interning Axis airmen & sailors for the duration of the war, while letting Allied airmen & sailors "escape" over the border. Choose to forget over flight permission for aircraft patrolling the Atlantic. Choose to forget this and other help from a nation that was occupied (often brutally) for 800 years and only recently independent.

But by all means do remember an ill advised signing of a book of condolences.

Often said Ireland should have been more involved. But opinions such as yours above do make me reconsider that.

Should we delve into British relations with dictators and brutal regimes?

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Hmm... I think you got the wrong end of the stick and started beating about the bush with it... my post was not having a dig at Ireland - the 'condolences' had in fact skipped my mind - but was, rather, demonstrating that we Brits have a good side too :).

However, on the subject of neutrality... I am minded that the famed Irish 'neutrality' was most certainly not a matter of principal, since de Valera was willing to enter WWII on the Allied side if he had believed the UK (meaning Churchill) would genuinely encourage an Irish reunification in exchange ;).
 
Hmm... I think you got the wrong end of the stick and started beating about the bush with it... my post was not having a dig at Ireland - the 'condolences' had in fact skipped my mind - but was, rather, demonstrating that we Brits have a good side too :).

Ye have many good qualities (y)

However, on the subject of neutrality... I am minded that the famed Irish 'neutrality' was most certainly not a matter of principal, since de Valera was willing to enter WWII on the Allied side if he had believed the UK (meaning Churchill) would genuinely encourage an Irish reunification in exchange ;).

There is the matter of the alleged withholding of information regarding Pearl Harbour to encourage the Americans into the war. Our neutrality then was a complicated matter, coming so soon after independence and the following civil war where members of families were on opposing sides.
 
Nope again.
I said nope........ as in your suggestion on the statistics was wrong.
That is all.
I am obviously not intelligent enough to get my message across to you.
Or your such an educated idiot that you can't think outside of the box.
Hey ho.
I note your introduction of the word "mean" in your last post.
Your obviously assuming my "nope" was directed as an answer to your question to Henerar......
Much as.....
Your suggestion that many of the Scots assumed the question on the ballot paper was directed at Scottish membership of the EU only.
Or as many chose to read as gospel (for purposes of their own pathetic counter) that £350 million and NHS written on the side of a bus meant that the NHS would be in receipt of £350 each and every week, guaranteed, after the winning of a vote.
Hey ho again.

That post may have made sense to you at ten minutes to three in the morning. It certainly did not to me, so I think it best I simply ignore what you are posting on this particular subject. No offence, because I have agreed with many of your other posts on various topics, but on this one I simply canot understand you. Probably best for you not to try to explain.
 

CornishTone

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Cornwall
As North Sea reserves dwindle, other opportunities arise around the UK for shale gas for example. The benefits of this will be shared around the UK so that particular regions don't experience a "hunger and a bust" situation. For a smaller country to put all its eggs in one basket creates the very real risk of a serious hardship as economic circumstances change.
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https://www.google.com.au/amp/www.c...-oil-field-discovered-off-scottish-coast.html

Doesn't look like they're dwindling just yet! Both governments will no doubt be eyeing this lot up.
 
War and military force has been mentioned by former Tory leader M Howard over the weekend. Don't recall any EU representative going so far as to say such stupid things.
Britain on the other hand in its EU lifetime has gone to war on more than one occasion. It's military is never idle to be honest. Has never been so for centuries. Somewhere in the world somebody is getting killed by the British state pretty much all the time. Simultaneously it's armaments industry is selling stuff for more killing to all sorts of nasty bastewards around the globe.
Don't even think of being high and mighty or taking the high moral ground when it comes to making war!

Meanwhile Spain keeps its composure and tells the Brits to "calm down dear".
Spain Tells U.K. to Keep Its Cool After Falklands Comparison
https://bloom.bg/2o1qghf


You know when you begin to write something do you EVER research ANYTHING ?

How about Kosovo ? Where EU troops stood by as Serbian's massacred 1,000s

Or how about the EU funding a coup in Ukraine by giving "Rebels" 5 Billion Euro

How about looking into what the EU are doing in multiple countries with their armed forces ? Here I'll help you
https://eeas.europa.eu/headquarters/headquarters-homepage/area/security-and-defence_en
 

turbo

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Arable Farmer
Location
lincs
Well....after 40 odd years of North Sea oil the UK has a 1.7 trillion pound debt and Norway has 200 billion in the bank.If I thought Scotland incapable of running its own affairs I know who I DONT want to run them for us.
Most of our debt was built up by the one eyed scottish idiot and the rest of the labour gov made up of mostly scottish people so it dosn't look like your are any better than the rest at looking after money
 

hindmaist

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Most of our debt was built up by the one eyed scottish idiot and the rest of the labour gov made up of mostly scottish people so it dosn't look like your are any better than the rest at looking after money
The Bullingdon boys built up about as much debt as North British Brown and the government has never,ever been made up of mostly Scottish people.
 

Billhook

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The Bullingdon boys built up about as much debt as North British Brown and the government has never,ever been made up of mostly Scottish people.
I seem to remember quite a few in the Blair years
Gavin Strang
Donald Dewar
George Robertson
Alastair Darling
Gordon Brown
John Reid
Lord Irvine
Ian McCartney
Falconer
Not forgetting Blair himself
The Scots certainly made up most of the powerful positions.
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
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Limousin
The UK debt was doubled by the lack of government control and regulation of the financial sector by many nations in the western world. As the UK is one of the world's major financial markets it therefore got hammered particularly hard. The words free market, bankers and greed don't go well together for the man in the street. Brown actually did a very good job of controlling the situation during the crisis.
 

turbo

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Arable Farmer
Location
lincs
The UK debt was doubled by the lack of government control and regulation of the financial sector by many nations in the western world. As the UK is one of the world's major financial markets it therefore got hammered particularly hard. The words free market, bankers and greed don't go well together for the man in the street. Brown actually did a very good job of controlling the situation during the crisis.
rubbish he has knackered this country for years with his spending like it was going out of fashion,just look at the state of the NHS most of its problems can be put down to having to pay back pfi now and the ridiculous maintance charges these companies charge
 

Henarar

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Somerset
rubbish he has knackered this country for years with his spending like it was going out of fashion,just look at the state of the NHS most of its problems can be put down to having to pay back pfi now and the ridiculous maintance charges these companies charge
NHS seemed fine to me (y)
 

Muck Spreader

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Limousin
rubbish he has knackered this country for years with his spending like it was going out of fashion,just look at the state of the NHS most of its problems can be put down to having to pay back pfi now and the ridiculous maintance charges these companies charge

What has the NHS got to do with the financial crisis? I have no particular opinion on much of Brown's work, but I do know he was the first western leader to recognise the seriousness of the situation (due undoubtedly to his financial background) that the idiot bankers had got themselves into and acted quickly and decisively to control it. Thus probably averting the biggest depression of all time.
 

turbo

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Arable Farmer
Location
lincs
What has the NHS got to do with the financial crisis? I have no particular opinion on much of Brown's work, but I do know he was the first western leader to recognise the seriousness of the situation (due undoubtedly to his financial background) that the idiot bankers had got themselves into and acted quickly and decisively to control it. Thus probably averting the biggest depression of all time.
He allowed the bankers to do what they were doing by setting up the framework to allow them to operate
 

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