Why should I stay..............

Bill dog

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Scottish Borders
40% UK land mass. 90% UK natural resources. 10% of UK population.

I'm sorry but you're making an untrue statement.
If there were any good policies, or decent governing, I’d be happy enough. But the nhs, policing , education, added in to shambles like the calmac fiasco, and that renewable bunch( forget their name), all makes for a bitter pill to swallow.
The eat less meat tosh that they spewed out last week, is no more than a woke vote winner, and could be a disaster for you and I !
And best not mention their record on drugs, wee nippy’s personal crusade!💩👎
 

dave mountain

Member
Livestock Farmer
How can we be subsidised by England, when England run a deficit?
Basic enonomics. England has a deficit, Scotland has a much larger defit per capita. The extra borrowing and subsequent interest to service the "Scots subsidy" is paid for by Westminster, If Scotland and England had the same per capita deficit I would have absolutely no issue with Scotland at all. It is this huge difference which is costing the English billions every year.
 

Nithsdale

Member
Livestock Farmer
Basic enonomics. England has a deficit, Scotland has a much larger defit per capita. The extra borrowing and subsequent interest to service the "Scots subsidy" is paid for by Westminster, If Scotland and England had the same per capita deficit I would have absolutely no issue with Scotland at all. It is this huge difference which is costing the English billions every year.

Basic economics - Westminster borrow £10bn in Scotland's name every year, which is not spent in Scotland.
They use our assets to farther spending 'down south'.


In a sparse populated area, public spending per head will always be higher.
 

Bald Rick

Moderator
Livestock Farmer
Location
Anglesey
Nah, tried it twice never again. First time I asked for directions in a shop and the two guys in there started talking Welsh so couldn't understand them, although they were both talking in english when I walked in, second time a fuel tanker driver shoved me off the road into a ditch.

Probably discussing targets

Come home to a real fire and all that ....
 

ski

Member
Thank you for your responses.

On reading them my instinct says something is shifting, but whatever it is, it is being driven from above on to the governed, not from below up to the leaders. (unlike Brexit which caught the leaders off balance.)

It seems to me that here, as well as when speaking to some close and thoughtful Scots friends this 'projection' on to us creates unease amongst some and a sense of resentment among those who concur with the agenda.

Personally I am left with the definite impression that it will not end well, but the full consequences will take many years to fully come to fruition.

Projecting dissatisfactions on to another group or tranche of society has some very alarming historical lessons. That this type of view is now being embraced very fiercely by various sections of society can only embolden the problem north of the border.

I shall see out my contract, and hope some small parcel of Northumberland has my name written on it.
 

dave mountain

Member
Livestock Farmer
Basic economics - Westminster borrow £10bn in Scotland's name every year, which is not spent in Scotland.
They use our assets to farther spending 'down south'.


In a sparse populated area, public spending per head will always be higher.
This is not true, and if it were, if Westminster borrows money then they can spend it how they like as they are the one paying it back. If Scotland wants to borrow money and pay it back itself they can do what they like with it. Why do you expect Westminster to borrow money to subsidise your brilliantly successful economy anyway? Or is it that it might not be as successful as you think.
 

ski

Member
Basic economics - Westminster borrow £10bn in Scotland's name every year, which is not spent in Scotland.
They use our assets to farther spending 'down south'.


In a sparse populated area, public spending per head will always be higher.
Thank you.

Conformation can come in many forms.
 

Ffermer Bach

Member
Livestock Farmer
40% UK land ma
Basic economics - Westminster borrow £10bn in Scotland's name every year, which is not spent in Scotland.
They use our assets to farther spending 'down south'.


In a sparse populated area, public spending per head will always be higher.
which is what Britain is happy to do, when the North of Britain is a region that is sparsely populated, or a region where life expectancy is less or drug deaths are higher, that is why we have the Barnet formula, but I fear that if Scotland chose to leave the UK, not only would the best educated and skilled leave for England, the financial centre of Edinburgh would also migrate South too, as only the Bank of England would have the financial muscle to guarantee it's obligations.
 

Nithsdale

Member
Livestock Farmer
which is what Britain is happy to do, when the North of Britain is a region that is sparsely populated, or a region where life expectancy is less or drug deaths are higher, that is why we have the Barnet formula, but I fear that if Scotland chose to leave the UK, not only would the best educated and skilled leave for England, the financial centre of Edinburgh would also migrate South too, as only the Bank of England would have the financial muscle to guarantee it's obligations.

That is speculation though. I can't say you're wrong, but you can't say you're right
 

Nithsdale

Member
Livestock Farmer
This is not true, and if it were, if Westminster borrows money then they can spend it how they like as they are the one paying it back. If Scotland wants to borrow money and pay it back itself they can do what they like with it. Why do you expect Westminster to borrow money to subsidise your brilliantly successful economy anyway? Or is it that it might not be as successful as you think.

If I were using your assets to borrow money against so I could spend it how I like (and STILL living in debt)... I think you'd be saying it were me who wasn't as successful as I think
 

dave mountain

Member
Livestock Farmer
Then Westminster takes the £3, and gives holyrood £6. See the crucial point you are missing?
The bottom line is that a lot of Scots like to think that they just send money to Westminster, forgetting that significantly more money comes in the other direction, ultimately paid for by the kind English taxpayer. This is before we start accounting for things like hmnb Clyde which pump enormous amounts of Westminster money into areas that would otherwise be desolate. I wish they would go independent, because SNP supporters are so narrow minded that until it happens and they have no economy left they won't believe what is plain to see for anyone else.
 

dave mountain

Member
Livestock Farmer
The bottom line is that a lot of Scots like to think that they just send money to Westminster, forgetting that significantly more money comes in the other direction, ultimately paid for by the kind English taxpayer. This is before we start accounting for things like hmnb Clyde which pump enormous amounts of Westminster money into areas that would otherwise be desolate. I wish they would go independent, because SNP supporters are so narrow minded that until it happens and they have no economy left they won't believe what is plain to see for anyone else.
Tbh if Scotland goes independent and does really well (near impossible) then that's even better, at least they aren't still costing me money.
 

Cowmansam

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
Shropshire
Grandma took her two youngest boys on a short break to Edinburgh, nice hotel, come the morning they decided to have porridge for breakfast, when she asked for sugar the waiter said 'we put salt in porridge not sugar', Gran wasn't one to back down and insisted he bring some sugar straight away, so back he came with a bowl of sugar cubes.
Throughout the week he seemed to show resent towards any English guests.

She did give him an envelope with a tip in it when they left, it was a piece of paper and written on it 'If you had treated us with less contempt there would have been some money'.


Nah, tried it twice never again. First time I asked for directions in a shop and the two guys in there started talking Welsh so couldn't understand them, although they were both talking in english when I walked in, second time a fuel tanker driver shoved me off the road into a ditch.
certain pubs round here English try one price Welsh another
 

dave mountain

Member
Livestock Farmer
If I were using your assets to borrow money against so I could spend it how I like (and STILL living in debt)... I think you'd be saying it were me who wasn't as successful as I think
Yes, if you're original statement were actually true, which it isn't. Can you provide balanced source for this information? I.e. not an SNP propaganda flyer.
 

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