Why should the USA bankroll NATO.

Clever Dic

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Presumably France spent it's money in some other area, but the frogs are pretty tight on overseas aid compared to the UK, but not as tight as the US. On your fig's Europe spent $466m against a US spend of $408m.
The population of the EU is 505 million, the US 325 million so the EU population is approx 70% greater. yet contibute 15 % more .?
But the narrative is all US only support is for Isreal.
Europeans seem to talk a lot like the EU defence force but less willing to put money up.
 

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The population of the EU is 505 million, the US 325 million so the EU population is approx 70% greater. yet contibute 15 % more .?
But the narrative is all US only support is for Isreal.
Europeans seem to talk a lot like the EU defence force but less willing to put money up.
Per capita the US spends less.
What's the point of another defence force when NATO already exists and works.
 

Clever Dic

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Presumably France spent it's money in some other area, but the frogs are pretty tight on overseas aid compared to the UK, but not as tight as the US. On your fig's Europe spent $466m against a US spend of $408m.
Per capita the US spends less.
What's the point of another defence force when NATO already exists and works.
Agreed . But some countries need to up their spending and not rely on the US.
Germany in particular.
 

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Agreed . But some countries need to up their spending and not rely on the US.
Germany in particular.

But history dictates that most European countries are fearful of a Germany with a growing military, maybe that will change now. However, it's interesting that Italy has the biggest standing army in the EU, where as the UK is now smaller than Greece.
 
Agreed . But some countries need to up their spending and not rely on the US.
Germany in particular.

We all rely on the USA. Germany has no nuclear weapons of her own. They may well maintain defence spending levels if they so choose, but I utterly see no need for an EU army and it will cause a LOT of destabilisation in Eastern Europe. The status quo has been maintained by NATO and the Russians who have negotiated a delicate arrangement between them. There is simply no need for an EU army, much less when it is controlled by Godknowswho. That's a recipe for another continental scale conflict.

If the EU continues with this expansionist and ever closer union idea, a war will forment. You wait and see. People are already pretty narked with the entire idea as it is. Denmark has just followed suit and banned the Burqa. Austria is fed up with the EU and is sidling with the Russians over the Crimea. Slovenia just elected an immigrant party and Germany has similar as the strongest opposition party.

The worm is turning and we are heading into a time with a heck of a lot of very serious pitfalls.
 

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Wow I almost find myself agreeing with Ollie:D...…………...And I had him down as a paid up member of the New World Order!! Just as well he isn't as their EU 4th Reich dream is now falling apart at the seams...…………..Dear old Adolf Merkel is at loggerheads with her first minister over the Bavarian border immigration policy and none of the options open to her will suit her and George Soros open borders agenda...………...What a shame! Another nail in the EU (euro) coffin rapidly approaches...…………….euro/ dollar parity by Christmas anyone:whistle:
 
We all rely on the USA. Germany has no nuclear weapons of her own. They may well maintain defence spending levels if they so choose, but I utterly see no need for an EU army and it will cause a LOT of destabilisation in Eastern Europe. The status quo has been maintained by NATO and the Russians who have negotiated a delicate arrangement between them. There is simply no need for an EU army, much less when it is controlled by Godknowswho. That's a recipe for another continental scale conflict.

If the EU continues with this expansionist and ever closer union idea, a war will forment. You wait and see. People are already pretty narked with the entire idea as it is. Denmark has just followed suit and banned the Burqa. Austria is fed up with the EU and is sidling with the Russians over the Crimea. Slovenia just elected an immigrant party and Germany has similar as the strongest opposition party.

The worm is turning and we are heading into a time with a heck of a lot of very serious pitfalls.


Baroness Catherine Ashton, Tony Blair's friend, whilst High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy she advocated not only an EU military force but USING that military force, arguing that the EU must have active conflict to gain the world status it deserves. I read some of her speeches when I researched what the EU army was about some years ago around the Ukraine crysis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Ashton

Behind this issue is world politcs where "Climate Change" policy (New World Order) is going to move substantial amounts of money around the world. I think it comes into force within a couple of years.

£Trillions are involved as I understand.

Hopefully the general public can force new heads into power to look again at all these issues .. looks to me as though the West has been setup for a massive fall by our own Liberal Establishment.
 
Baroness Catherine Ashton, Tony Blair's friend, whilst High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy she advocated not only an EU military force but USING that military force, arguing that the EU must have active conflict to gain the world status it deserves. I read some of her speeches when I researched what the EU army was about some years ago around the Ukraine crysis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Ashton

Behind this issue is world politcs where "Climate Change" policy (New World Order) is going to move substantial amounts of money around the world. I think it comes into force within a couple of years.

£Trillions are involved as I understand.

Hopefully the general public can force new heads into power to look again at all these issues .. looks to me as though the West has been setup for a massive fall by our own Liberal Establishment.

Just kill her. Such people are of no use to mankind.
 
Wow I almost find myself agreeing with Ollie:D...…………...And I had him down as a paid up member of the New World Order!! Just as well he isn't as their EU 4th Reich dream is now falling apart at the seams...…………..Dear old Adolf Merkel is at loggerheads with her first minister over the Bavarian border immigration policy and none of the options open to her will suit her and George Soros open borders agenda...………...What a shame! Another nail in the EU (euro) coffin rapidly approaches...…………….euro/ dollar parity by Christmas anyone:whistle:

It's folding up.

Believe me there is no one more Europhile than me, I love Europe, and I have seen a lot of it, we are a collection of peoples who share a lot of history, but I do not want to see us all blended into some homogeneous mass. What makes France, actually France, should be preserved at all costs.

Various regimes have attempted to subvert the peoples of Europe at various times. Conflict was the inevitable result.

As for mass immigration, I want those in favour of this to explain to me, exactly how much of the Asian or African continent they will allow to resettle here: where is the line? We cannot possibly rehome the entirety of Eritrea.
 

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It's folding up.

Believe me there is no one more Europhile than me, I love Europe, and I have seen a lot of it, we are a collection of peoples who share a lot of history, but I do not want to see us all blended into some homogeneous mass. What makes France, actually France, should be preserved at all costs.

Various regimes have attempted to subvert the peoples of Europe at various times. Conflict was the inevitable result.

As for mass immigration, I want those in favour of this to explain to me, exactly how much of the Asian or African continent they will allow to resettle here: where is the line? We cannot possibly rehome the entirety of Eritrea.

Have to agree with this. The EU's achilles heal is it's woolly handling of mass migration and will be the one thing that threatens the future of the EU. For example the 650 migrants landed in Spain this week after Italy refused to take them, had go past half a dozen North African countries where they could have been landed on humanitarian grounds. Funny how Europe was the only suitable place.

I don't think people should be stopped from coming to Europe in fact it's essential, but this must be on a controlled basis, with application coming from a country outside the EU. Any one arriving illegally is taken straight to the airport and returned to their country of origin or third country where they can apply for the right to enter Europe from.
 

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