Why the Hate for AD?

[Elj]

Is that including sfp?

 

[thesilentone]

Only just seen this. Will have a look at the figures and get back to you .

If growing for AD, the cost to grow is not the most important number, it's cost per m3/biogas/hectare.

 

[whitefox]

we grow hybrid rye, followed by maize, not for a AD plant, but for bulk silage,
Our contractor does grow the same, for AD. Rye is pretty low imput, seed £700 ton, weedkiller, and fert, mowed and picked up by forager. Maize does cost more, obviously. On the basis of yield, our rye came off at 18 ton/ac, contractors figures, not mine, maize put in after rye, there is a balance, timing/weather, again contractors figure, maize came of about 15 ton +. He gets £30 ton for rye, and £40 maize, and free digestate. The hybrid rye has been developed, for digesters, as a catch crop, between maize.

hybrid rye seed at £700 ton????,no growth reg or fungicide?,was it 18 ton an acre @35%dm?,sorry for all the questions

 

[whitefox]

In most areas of the south west it is dairy farmers that are forcing up rents. Even beef farmers are paying over £200 acre for land and buildings. What happens next year and beyond will be interesting.

the south west must be an agricultural and parasi.....oops land agents utopia,i realise they must have a very benign climate,but truly,are they making any return,sorry to have gone off topic a bit

 

[maen]

Free land is at a premium at the moment! A lot of tenants in old tenancies are coasting. Due for a shake me thinks. No a popular opinion.

 

[whitefox]

Free land is at a premium at the moment! A lot of tenants in old tenancies are coasting. Due for a shake me thinks. No a popular opinion.

free land ? where do i find this?

 

[whitefox]

it's all well and good, but it's shite for farmers, looking to expand, we have an option to purchase in the next few years, but at that value ? It will make for some interesting talks.

better just to offer an annual rent o £200 plus per acre,keep everyone happy

 

[maen]

Land available on the open market to rent.

Alot of tenants subletting and taking bps. It’s having a very negative effect and stifles innovation. Land purchase being used as a tax shelter should also be a major concern.

 

[DRC]

Land available on the open market to rent.

Alot of tenants subletting and taking bps. It’s having a very negative effect and stifles innovation. Land purchase being used as a tax shelter should also be a major concern.

Do you have any proof of this.
The ones I know are just growing another crop for sale, with contractors doing the harvesting . No different to the many big operators on here that contract farm other people’s land , or the use of contractors instead of employing labour or buying machinery .

 

[whitefox]

Land available on the open market to rent.

Alot of tenants subletting and taking bps. It’s having a very negative effect and stifles innovation. Land purchase being used as a tax shelter should also be a major concern.

should be no problem if they are going to pay £200 plus per acre...........unless of course that doesnt pay?

 

[Chopsy Varmint]

Pretoria Energy in the news again, old news but just gone through court and been fined almost £27k plus £15k costs.

https://www.elystandard.co.uk/news/river-cam-pollution-extremely-harmful-7852048

 

[capfits]

Currently there is a consultation going through Scottish government to do with slurry, silage, digestate etc
To me the fine and costs looks cheap compared to the capital outlay for some to meet those proposals, even at one a year for 30 years.

 

[Forkdriver]

Pretoria Energy in the news again, old news but just gone through court and been fined almost £27k plus £15k costs.

https://www.elystandard.co.uk/news/river-cam-pollution-extremely-harmful-7852048

I once had Pretoria working in my office. She soon moved on to better things

 

[puntabrava]

Pretoria Energy in the news again, old news but just gone through court and been fined almost £27k plus £15k costs.

https://www.elystandard.co.uk/news/river-cam-pollution-extremely-harmful-7852048

Anyone know Adam hastie

 

[principal skinner]

Toms reply made me laugh

 

[Daniel]

Anyone know Adam hastie
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6 of 1 and half a dozen of the other?!

That said if he speaks to the staff like that, they might as well let him wait another half hour.

 

[kiwi pom]

Anyone know Adam hastie
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It wouldn't matter if you were under the spout for a lot of forager drivers, they'd still spray it all over the paddock.
If you had a 1000ton trailer, they'd still try and get 1001 tons in it.

That's why they're in the field on the chopper, not fit to be on the road

 

[Enry]

Absolutely this, summed up nicely by wellytrack.

A quick Google would suggest very few AD companies have much money - it sounds like there will be casualties ahead.

that will be by design....they won't leave much money in the company (usually companIES) in case there is a major issue and they need to fold in a hurry!!

 

[Enry]

if you see the lane near one block of maize round here you will under stand why


growing maize on heavy land in the uk destroys the soil

maize has replaced a lot of beet and potatoes around here so soil was destroyed already

 

[7610 super q]

Don't get it ?