Why won’t Brits pick vegetables for £30 an hour?

stewart

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Horticulture
Location
Bay of Plenty NZ
New Zealand you pay tax on income earned in the country. In Australia overseas workers pay 32.5% tax on income up to $90,000 but you don't pay the medicare levy.
The migrant workers pay the same tax rate a everyone else working in NZ, on top of that, under the government scheme we have to pay for flights to get here, provide accommodation whist they are here and ensure they have access to medical care if needed, allowing the Pacific Islanders to work here helps both countries, we get the labour required they get an income to take back home, improving their local economy, it is certainly preferable to sending foreign aid.
 

Muddyroads

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NFFN Member
Location
Exeter, Devon
The money leaves NZ , not good for your economy, this is one of the many problems with using migrant workers , it takes money out of the host country .
I don’t follow the logic of this. You might as well say that if a family farm pays a workman, it takes money out of the farm, even though the alternative is that the work doesn’t get done and the business is poorer as a result.
 

Lincoln75

Member
I don’t follow the logic of this. You might as well say that if a family farm pays a workman, it takes money out of the farm, even though the alternative is that the work doesn’t get done and the business is poorer as a result.
The none migrant worker spends all his money in the UK most of it locally, generally migrant workers live in squalid conditions and save as much as possible to take home, fair play to them but it does little for the UK other than let fatcat growers get fatter off exploited labour.
 

Muddyroads

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NFFN Member
Location
Exeter, Devon
The none migrant worker spends all his money in the UK most of it locally, generally migrant workers live in squalid conditions and save as much as possible to take home, fair play to them but it does little for the UK other than let fatcat growers get fatter off exploited labour.
But if the options are that either a migrant worker does the job, or the job doesn’t get done, what’s the choice?
How is that different to a family farm employing an external worker if all available family members are already busy?
 

Easedoff

Member
Livestock Farmer
I dont know how NZ taxation works but temporary migrant workers have been able to avoid tax in the UK in some cases , IIRC the same in Aussie, after Boris`s recent deal with Jacinda you`ll soon be sending stuff to the UK ,picked by migrant workers :unsure:.
Yeah.
Migrant, back packing workers from the UK.
 

stewart

Member
Horticulture
Location
Bay of Plenty NZ
I dont know how NZ taxation works but temporary migrant workers have been able to avoid tax in the UK in some cases , IIRC the same in Aussie, after Boris`s recent deal with Jacinda you`ll soon be sending stuff to the UK ,picked by migrant workers :unsure:.
We already do, although the UK is not a big paying market and Jacindas deal won't really make that much difference, the higher paying markets are in Asia.
 

Lowland1

Member
Mixed Farmer
what I think is immoral, is us in the wealthy West taking health care workers (Doctors/Nurses etc) from the global South where they are needed.
What poor countries have that rich countries don't is a large pool of labour. If there's money to be made working in trades in the richest countries then it encourages people to enter these trades to work in richer countries in doing so they not only earn money but gain transferable experience that they can take back to their own countries. Poor countries need healthcare workers for sure but they also need money to pay them money earned overseas drives the economies of poorer countries. If you have an organised and regulated system that brings in foreign workers be it for fruit and veg harvesting or for nursing or for tech industries then you could avoid a lot of illegal migration plus at the end of everyone's contracts they go home.
 

Lincoln75

Member
Yeah.
Migrant, back packing workers from the UK.
British workers will change jobs and work on farms but only when the growers/farmer's up their game, better pay and conditions, this may take a couple of years to balance out, Using migrant workers will keep the current exploitative system running indefinitely.
 

Hindsight

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Location
Lincolnshire
At the end of the day the supermarkets make UK growers compete with Spanish grown veg grown under plastic managed and harvested with North African slave labour ,you can't compete with that and pay a living wage In a high cost economy like the UK Big business needs reigning in over the provenance of what they sell

General hypocrisy of individuals and society as a whole - I am as bad, if not worse, as the next person.
 

Lincoln75

Member
At the end of the day the supermarkets make UK growers compete with Spanish grown veg grown under plastic managed and harvested with North African slave labour ,you can't compete with that and pay a living wage In a high cost economy like the UK Big business needs reigning in over the provenance of what they sell
And it genuinely is slave labour down in Almeria and along the coast there, the growers are no more than gangsters but UK supermarkets are happy to buy off them.
 

Lowland1

Member
Mixed Farmer
British workers will change jobs and work on farms but only when the growers/farmer's up their game, better pay and conditions, this may take a couple of years to balance out, Using migrant workers will keep the current exploitative system running indefinitely.
I bet they don’t. There would have to be a real shortage of jobs before people go back to manual labour on the land. People left these jobs because whilst the pay wasn’t brilliant the actual jobs are hard work and often the conditions that they are carried out in are pretty rubbish. What will actually happen is more mechanization will occur and some crops will no longer be grown in the UK. Alternatively pick a Tuesday morning just before Homes under the Hammer is on TV and go house to house in Boston loading up all the able bodied people into transport and take them out into the fields.They voted for it so now they have to make it work.
 

Lincoln75

Member
I bet they don’t. There would have to be a real shortage of jobs before people go back to manual labour on the land. People left these jobs because whilst the pay wasn’t brilliant the actual jobs are hard work and often the conditions that they are carried out in are pretty rubbish. What will actually happen is more mechanization will occur and some crops will no longer be grown in the UK. Alternatively pick a Tuesday morning just before Homes under the Hammer is on TV and go house to house in Boston loading up all the able bodied people into transport and take them out into the fields.They voted for it so now they have to make it work.
Some will move back into agriculture maybe not enough , growers may find they have to offer 38 hour four day weeks and £15.00+ ph with paid tea and dinner breaks in canteens and no having to clock off for a pizz, proper clean working toilets and quality wet weather clothing , however mechanisation is the answer and it is advancing at a fast rate , you`ll need techie types to run these new machines so computer graduate types who can run a machine that does the work of ten labourers .

With regards to getting those who dont want to work and prisoners picking , I think its the most stupid idea I`ve heard , who wants criminal staff who dont want to be there ? forget those types and concentrate making your business an attractive place to work rather than a last resort.

I`d rather buy imported food than see thousands of migrant workers turning up.
 

bluebell

Member
the poor countries have large families, lots of people, young ? looking for work, no welfare state? or money for nothing? A bit like our country was in victorian times? Whats now killing the west is the welfare burden, cost of it all?
 

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