Wide spacing cereal crops... pictures please

[DieselRob]

As above really, I know there are various people who post in the direct drilling photo gallery thread but I was hoping some could share pictures throughout the growing season, this 1 especially, of crops grown at 250mm spacing (or there abouts)

It isn't really the year to be able to go cruising round the countryside to visit these crops so I was hoping you could bring them here

Also if you could say whether they were drilled by disc or tine that would be handy as well

Thanks!

 

[Farmer Roy]

Haha - I think of 250mm being relatively narrow

 

[DieselRob]

Haha - I think of 250mm being relatively narrow

Possibly! I had been looking at your latest picture on the other thread before I posted, at 40kg/ha how many tillers per m² would that generate?

I'll refine my request... pictures of cereals grown in the UK on wide spacing relative to the UK "normal"

 

[Farmer Roy]

Possibly! I had been looking at your latest picture on the other thread before I posted, at 40kg/ha how many tillers per m² would that generate?

I'll refine my request... pictures of cereals grown in the UK on wide spacing relative to the UK "normal"

tillers per square metre ?
no idea, how longs a piece of string ?
Or more precisely, what sort of season are we going to have ?
I am not familiar with this variety of wheat ( Bennet ), so have no idea of its characteristics & wether it has the ability to put on a lot of tillers or not.
A wheat plant may put out 10 tillers, or just one - it is highly variable depending on moisture availability.

 

[Will7]

Spring oats last year. I have’t taken any pictures this year as it is a disaster!
18th April, drilled 3rd March
24th May
14th June

 

[Will7]

Drilled with a seedhawk

 

[Will7]

Last years siskin wheat
4th April
24th April
13th June
Don’t have any earlier ones I am afraid

 

[DieselRob]

Thank you @Will7 much appreciated!

 

[marklr90]

Possibly! I had been looking at your latest picture on the other thread before I posted, at 40kg/ha how many tillers per m² would that generate?

I'll refine my request... pictures of cereals grown in the UK on wide spacing relative to the UK "normal"

Are you considering wide row spacings for future inter row sowing/weeding purposes? Have you considered band sowing at wide row spacings?

 

[DieselRob]

Are you considering wide row spacings for future inter row sowing/weeding purposes? Have you considered band sowing at wide row spacings?

Not specifically at the moment, I'm looking to make the move from a plough/min till system to no-till, my current drill is on 12.5cm spacing but if looking at drills like the horsch sprinter/CO they are 25cm, I currently grow winter barley and my concern with wide spacing is heads ending up on the floor if the crop brackles.

I have considered band sowing but the aim is to move less soil going forward which would mean looking for a drill on a single narrow opener

 

[deleted user 837354]

I have some claydon-drilled pictures I can dig out if you are interested in those?

 

[Clive]

seeing no difference between crops drilled at 25cm vs 18cm

maybe not the best year to draw conclusions however

 

[Clive]

Not specifically at the moment, I'm looking to make the move from a plough/min till system to no-till, my current drill is on 12.5cm spacing but if looking at drills like the horsch sprinter/CO they are 25cm, I currently grow winter barley and my concern with wide spacing is heads ending up on the floor if the crop brackles.

I have considered band sowing but the aim is to move less soil going forward which would mean looking for a drill on a single narrow opener

if you use a Bourgault VOS system opeber on a C0 you could run the twin or triple outlet 75 or 100mm coulters to reduce row width from 250mm?

 

[DieselRob]

seeing no difference between crops drilled at 25cm vs 18cm

maybe not the best year to draw conclusions however

You're maybe right however I think seeing a "system" at its worst, or how it copes with the challenges is a good thing

I've had 1 demo so far this summer, although at 16.6cm spacing rather than put it in to a nice flat uniform land type field I put it in to a block with every soil type and some of the steepest slopes on the farm, i was impressed how it coped, any other demos that come are going to get it easy by comparison

 

[DieselRob]

if you use a Bourgault VOS system opeber on a C0 you could run the twin or triple outlet 75 or 100mm coulters to reduce row width from 250mm?

I haven't researched enough in to different point options, is a bourgault opener similar to an "A" share like you would find on a strip till drill?

 

[Clive]

I haven't researched enough in to different point options, is a bourgault opener similar to an "A" share like you would find on a strip till drill?

the Vos boot has the seed tubes internal rather than the Claydon style A share that drops the seed down the back of the coulter (Borlgault make the Claydon wear metal I think)


we use the 19mm VOS so just run a single band for minimal disturbance but I’m happy with 250mm rows, don’t go narrower than 19mm imo or seed blockage becomes an issue especially with beans

we also have a set of twin row 75mm VOS that we did some comparisons with

 

[DieselRob]

the Vos boot has the seed tubes internal rather than the Claydon style A share that drops the seed down the back of the coulter (Borlgault make the Claydon wear metal I think)


we use the 19mm VOS so just run a single band for minimal disturbance but I’m happy with 250mm rows, don’t go narrower than 19mm imo or seed blockage becomes an issue especially with beans

we also have a set of twin row 75mm VOS that we did some comparisons with

Do you have any photos of the results? Did you qualify/quantify the difference throughout the season?

Does the 75mm twin take much more pulling than a single 19mm?

 

[Clive]

Do you have any photos of the results? Did you qualify/quantify the difference throughout the season?

Does the 75mm twin take much more pulling than a single 19mm?

I haven't taken many crop photos this season ......... frankly it's been depressing looking at them so I haven't!

Didn't really notice any difference between pulling 75 vs 19 but the tractor (240hp) is well on top of a 6m with either option and should probably be pulling an 8 or even 9m drill

 

[yellow belly]

the problem i have is when we get a blocked coulter the black grass charlock and other blw is always more abundent with the herbicide having to do more
crop competition and herbicide combo often gives better controll than their combined effect individually

 

[Hammer]

My new drill is on wide rows (25cm). Time will tell how it may affect weed competition, and yes blocked coulters terrify me now...