Will high fertiliser prices change you’re cropping plan.

[Gormers]

I’m dropping 2nd wheat for S Barley .
Maybe a P& K reduction/holiday dependant on soil indices when results arrive back.
Not going to starve soil/ crop though

 

[JeremyD]

Hybrid Rye instead of Winter Barley, and only one field 2nd wheat on the best field on farm.

 

[B'o'B]

Might drop a 3rd wheat for a very early entry into AB15.

I'm also undecided on a field of which could go either peas or a second wheat, the N price is probably making peas more likely even though logistics and next harvest would probably be easier with the wheat.

Might well do an extra pass, but with smaller doses of N to try and eek out the nitrogen usage efficiency. Or I might not.

It really does feel like there are some really uncertain times ahead at the moment for all inputs.

 

[DRC]

I top dressed some ww with turkey muck this year, only 1t/acre as an experiment, I will probably try it again. Digestate may be available, as an option too.

The pig farm I have muck and slurry from , have one field of winter barley of their own which only ever gets slurry umbilical spread on it in the spring . Often quite late as well. I combine it and it’s never far away from my own yield. Last year it was better. Shame I’m the other side the main road, although it might be worth investigating the cost of tanking it to a nurse tank then umbilical .

 

[moretimeforgolf]

milling wheat dropped completely

more Rye

so yes

Snap. Osr gone too.

 

[neilo]

The pig farm I have muck and slurry from , have one field of winter barley of their own which only ever gets slurry umbilical spread on it in the spring . Often quite late as well. I combine it and it’s never far away from my own yield. Last year it was better. Shame I’m the other side the main road, although it might be worth investigating the cost of tanking it to a nurse tank then umbilical .

I don’t suppose there’s a handy culvert somewhere nearby that an unscrupulous operator might lob the pipe through temporarily?

 

[Clive]

Snap. Osr gone too.

i want £40 min premium for milling now

buyers can bugger off and buy German wheat …….. which they do anyway )then hovis wrap it in union flag packaging!) not playing that silly game any longer

 

[DRC]

I don’t suppose there’s a handy culvert somewhere nearby that an unscrupulous operator might lob the pipe through temporarily?

Afraid not. I did once see two telehandlers holding a pipe up over the road at Whittington though.

 

[fieldfarmer]

I don’t suppose there’s a handy culvert somewhere nearby that an unscrupulous operator might lob the pipe through temporarily?

I was just thinking the same, but it might be an idea to have that section continuelly monitored, dred to think where it would end up if a pipe split under there.

 

[som farmer]

I don’t suppose there’s a handy culvert somewhere nearby that an unscrupulous operator might lob the pipe through temporarily?

our contractor had a very nasty EA visit, he had been 'reported' for pumping slurry straight into a road drain, it rapidly changed moods, when he showed them the pipe re-emerging, the other side of the road, through a drain, that was now, 1 metre, from the road, and grown over. Also shows lack of maintenance, on the minor roads.
We grew s/barley this year, 1st corn for years, behind kale, 3 t/ac, loads of straw, only 50kg N, which we should not have applied. The price of fert, is a concern to livestock farmers as well, and it's use is classed as 'bad' for the environment, by the 'green' lobby, and it's use, will come under more pressure, either by tax, cost, or legislation, just like the potential ban, on autumn muck, it's not joined up thinking, will cause massive problems, but 'looks' good on paper. There seems to be, a total disconnect between farming and food, for many 'green zealots', not sure how they think, they will survive, without us, though.

 

[EJS]

i want £40 min premium for milling now

buyers can bigger of and buy German wheat …….. which they do anyway )then hovis wrap it in union flag packaging!) not playing that silly game any longer


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I emailed Hovis about this as they had big media announcement few years ago - only using British wheat but now apparently they have to use imported but flag signifies baked in Britain misleading at best - Aldi the same - loaves have flag and baked in Britain

 

[warksfarmer]

As per title.
I am thinking of dropping winter barley and reducing wheat in favour of spring crops grown with plenty of pig muck under them .
What’s everyone’s thoughts ?

Dropped milling wheat and actually planting 65% spring crops this time. Free sewage cake going in front of the spring crops.

 

[indiescot]

Morning all

Being up it in scotland im just curious if growing wheat for feed is becoming the norm down south? Is there better feed varieties that yield better than milling? Im guessing the premium on milling isnt worth the hassle?

 

[warksfarmer]

Morning all

Being up it in scotland im just curious if growing wheat for feed is becoming the norm down south? Is there better feed varieties that yield better than milling? Im guessing the premium on milling isnt worth the hassle?

Feed has always yielded better than milling because it’s rare to get both yield and protein. The plant has to use the nitrogen somewhere.

We’ll save 70kg/ha of N by swapping but all the rest of the inputs will remain the same as we always grow milling as feed bar the nitrogen. It’s more to do with the fact the premium isn’t enough to take the hit on the reduced yield. Clive says £40/t but I actually think it should be £60/t for normal group 1’s from say 13-13.8% protein or £100/t for the very high protein types 13.8% upto to 16%.

 

[Hindsight]

our contractor had a very nasty EA visit, he had been 'reported' for pumping slurry straight into a road drain, it rapidly changed moods, when he showed them the pipe re-emerging, the other side of the road, through a drain, that was now, 1 metre, from the road, and grown over. Also shows lack of maintenance, on the minor roads.
We grew s/barley this year, 1st corn for years, behind kale, 3 t/ac, loads of straw, only 50kg N, which we should not have applied. The price of fert, is a concern to livestock farmers as well, and it's use is classed as 'bad' for the environment, by the 'green' lobby, and it's use, will come under more pressure, either by tax, cost, or legislation, just like the potential ban, on autumn muck, it's not joined up thinking, will cause massive problems, but 'looks' good on paper. There seems to be, a total disconnect between farming and food, for many 'green zealots', not sure how they think, they will survive, without us, though.

Food comes from Waitrose and TESCO, silly.

 

[DRC]

Morning all

Being up it in scotland im just curious if growing wheat for feed is becoming the norm down south? Is there better feed varieties that yield better than milling? Im guessing the premium on milling isnt worth the hassle?

Always grown feed wheat here as we are very close to lots of feed mills and chicken farms , so usually get a better feed price than I see quoted in areas where the transport would add up

 

[Boysground]

The pig farm I have muck and slurry from , have one field of winter barley of their own which only ever gets slurry umbilical spread on it in the spring . Often quite late as well. I combine it and it’s never far away from my own yield. Last year it was better. Shame I’m the other side the main road, although it might be worth investigating the cost of tanking it to a nurse tank then umbilical .

I put a umbilical pipe through a culvert to get across a road. It is possible to push a pipe under a road. Dig a hole either side a it can be bored through. You do need planning, last I heard it wasn’t a ridiculous cost.

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[DairyGrazing]

The pig farm I have muck and slurry from , have one field of winter barley of their own which only ever gets slurry umbilical spread on it in the spring . Often quite late as well. I combine it and it’s never far away from my own yield. Last year it was better. Shame I’m the other side the main road, although it might be worth investigating the cost of tanking it to a nurse tank then umbilical .

We have two pipes under the road. Dug the first one £2900 15 years ago. Bored the second one last summer for £3400.

 

[som farmer]

Food comes from Waitrose and TESCO, silly.

laughable, but unfortunately true.
read last night, aussie pm, said, you cannot have a 'woke' or totally 'clean' lifestyle, without industry, there wouldn't be the money, to enable it to happen. Realism needs to become recognised.

 

[DRC]

We have two pipes under the road. Dug the first one £2900 15 years ago. Bored the second one last summer for £3400.

We would still be a long way from the tank on many of our fields