Will Putin invade ?

Will Putin invade the Ukraine ?


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Ffermer Bach

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Livestock Farmer
I know what you mean about the general population not being Putin... but the Czech experience with Russians didn't leave them thinking that there are any good ones (live ones anyway)😕
taken from an article in yesterdays Telegraph, so Russia is more than just Putin, the general population are to some degree or other complicit too.


Once again, however, the invasion of Ukraine is being personalised as “Putin’s War” or the adventurism of “Mad Vlad”, thereby divorcing the event from its context by making it entirely a projection of one man’s derangement. The same has happened with the Second World War, which is invariably associated almost entirely with Hitler, and rarely with the German people.

Yet if such men are to pursue their own version of reality, others around them – including much of the general populace – must buy into the narrative.

These can be people who stand to benefit from keeping the individual in power, like the oligarchs who have enriched themselves during Putin’s reign. Or they can be ideological bedfellows like Hitler’s Nazi followers.

Putin has tapped into a strain of Russian nationalism that lies deep in the psyche and long predates him. So many are ready to believe that Russia is beleaguered by the West because that is a worldview they have always held.

They are also open to the justification given on state-controlled media that Russian troops are merely engaged in a humanitarian operation in eastern Ukraine to protect their ethnic brethren from fascist death squads and genocide. Putin said recently that without helping the insurgents in the Donbas there would be “another Srebrenica”. The fact this is preposterous is irrelevant if it is believed in Russia.

A similar story of victimhood was used by the Nazis to stoke resentment in 1930s Germany. They had plenty of material to work with, not least the perceived injustices of the Treaty of Versailles and the reparations imposed on Germany, together with its territorial losses.

The German high command had never been reconciled to the idea that they had lost the Great War and were willing to back a politician, even an Austrian corporal, who wanted to restore their country’s “rightful” place in the world. Hitler could not have staged a war without the Wehrmacht or suppressed dissent without the Gestapo and the rest of his state apparatus.
 

Boomerang

Member
Only one person needs to die ,not all the innocent civilians or the soldiers either it's only one man's war fought from.the safety of his desk.
Surely it can be done .
We could be waiting too long for a revolt from within.

Boris says we can't enforce an air shield over Ukraine as we would have to shoot down Russian planes and we can't do that.
I would put money on it, that if the yanks were to say right we re going in .
Boris would change direction and immediately and we would be shooting Russians down then .
We need a statesman not a bloody clown.
 

TheTallGuy

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Location
Cambridgeshire
Only one person needs to die ,not all the innocent civilians or the soldiers either it's only one man's war fought from.the safety of his desk.
Surely it can be done .
We could be waiting too long for a revolt from within.

Boris says we can't enforce an air shield over Ukraine as we would have to shoot down Russian planes and we can't do that.
I would put money on it, that if the yanks were to say right we re going in .
Boris would change direction and immediately and we would be shooting Russians down then .
We need a statesman not a bloody clown.
I'm certain that the US that's put pressure on the NATO nations not to get involved.
 
I'm not saying he doesn't have to go. The blokes a pansy. The trouble is the russian war machine isn't going to back off. Look at the shelling today. Unless we are actually going to commit to putting troops on the ground then he will turn the place into dust. The more missiles we send the more buildings he'll flatten. I admire the ukranians. They should fight with all they've got, but I'm afraid there's going to come a point where its just not enough. Someone put on earlier that Zelensky looked pretty shaken on telly. Perhaps the thought that's going through his mind now is how many people have to die before we surrender because the wedt isnt going to save us. It sounds absurd, but it's reality. The Russians won't stop now. They can't stop. Like you've said, and I agree, vlad can't be seen to give up.

It's clear from the videos of ordinary Ukrainian people standing in front of Russian tanks and jeeps that they are not afraid to fight for their country.

All the focus I see on here is fear of what Russia will do next, you're willingly jumping into Russian strategy. Who fears the big bad bear.

The only thing I'm surprised about so far has been EU resolve and Russian incompetence/self sabotage.

I'm not in the least bit surprised to see Russians shelling civilian areas, that's what they do.

Zelensky is the President, I only saw their PM referred to earlier. I haven't seen it so won't comment.

The Russians will be stopped. How long it will take is the question. I've said from day dot I see this going to guerrilla warfare.
 

beardface

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Location
East Yorkshire
It's clear from the videos of ordinary Ukrainian people standing in front of Russian tanks and jeeps that they are not afraid to fight for their country.

All the focus I see on here is fear of what Russia will do next, you're willingly jumping into Russian strategy. Who fears the big bad bear.

The only thing I'm surprised about so far has been EU resolve and Russian incompetence/self sabotage.

I'm not in the least bit surprised to see Russians shelling civilian areas, that's what they do.

Zelensky is the President, I only saw their PM referred to earlier. I haven't seen it so won't comment.

The Russians will be stopped. How long it will take is the question. I've said from day dot I see this going to guerrilla warfare.

I'm not afraid of what russia will do next. We all know what they'll do next. Turn the place into rubble.

I'm not surprised at the way the EU has reacted, but I am surprised at the cluster f**k the Russians seem to have created.

The Russians may be stopped. The question is how many ukranian lives it will take. I'm afraid I'm just pointing out the realism of the situation. Sometimes life just isn't fair.
 
I'm not afraid of what russia will do next. We all know what they'll do next. Turn the place into rubble.

I'm not surprised at the way the EU has reacted, but I am surprised at the cluster f**k the Russians seem to have created.

The Russians may be stopped. The question is how many ukranian lives it will take. I'm afraid I'm just pointing out the realism of the situation. Sometimes life just isn't fair.

Who's arguing against the fact that the Russian army acts like savages?

Rolling over and letting them take control of Ukraine is no answer. He will just move on to the Baltics or Poland.

Putin failing in Ukraine and being removed from power is the least cost in this war.
 
Ukraine receives more Bayraktar drones from Turkey

 

robs1

Member
Only one person needs to die ,not all the innocent civilians or the soldiers either it's only one man's war fought from.the safety of his desk.
Surely it can be done .
We could be waiting too long for a revolt from within.

Boris says we can't enforce an air shield over Ukraine as we would have to shoot down Russian planes and we can't do that.
I would put money on it, that if the yanks were to say right we re going in .
Boris would change direction and immediately and we would be shooting Russians down then .
We need a statesman not a bloody clown.
A no fly zone wont stop putin destroying Ukrainian cities with rockets and artillery, it would need us to us air power to destroy those assets.
It may well be that nato has good intelligence that putin is prepared to chuck some nukes about, and perhaps even that there are elements in the Russian army that will bump him off when the invasion falters but might not find it do easy if NATO is killing russian troops
 

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