Will they get the job done

They are fools! And will find out over the next 5 years.(Corbyn;enough said), and Brexit,where they think that because their lives are so sh!t now,it can hardly get any worse,(it can and it will) Have you ever been to Blyth?
democratic country, we voted, mp's didn't like the result = 3 yrs stalemate, GE fought on Brexit and Corbyn, the result reflected the referendum, and we will leave. Whether it is a right way, for the country, or a disaster, is somewhat irrelevant, we voted, and the result should have been respected, that's because we live in a democracy.
 
Or.....he has worked well for the last 12 yrs ad the people of Hereford have recognised that and voted for him again !
Maybe he has done a belting job in the past, maybe he will continue to do a belting job in the future. But if he doesn't, you're stuck with him until he decides his pension pot is full enough to retire.

Give me a marginal seat, where politicians have to visit cattle markets to listen to their voters, any day of the week.
 

jendan

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Do you mean the coal pits that she closed, because there was no demand for them? or the 1000s that were given the opportunity to by there council houses at a cheap price!!!
Not just the pits,but widespread jobs lost all over.Listen to "1 in 10" by UB40 or "Ghost town" by The Specials and you get the picture at the time.
 

Exfarmer

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Not just the pits,but widespread jobs lost all over.Listen to "1 in 10" by UB40 or "Ghost town" by The Specials and you get the picture at the time.
yes there were jobs lost across the spectrum, as the government made the decision which had been staring governments in the face for at least 2 decades, nationalised industries not just do not work , but cost the taxpayer an incredible amount of money. Taxation was at astronomical levels to try to pay for this forcing poverty on those not able to get their snout in the trough of union closed workshops. Billions of money were wasted trying to extract coal from worked out pits. Then more millions chucked at the steel industry to make jobs in areas of high unemployment wirhout any thought about the logistical nightmare this created with steel billets being produced at Recarr taken to Wales for rolling, then back to Scotland for Galvanising. In Germany all this would have been done in one factory!
I wont even start on British Leyland except to say even the employees were reluctant to buy their own product.
Then the railways were a joke, rolling stock from pre war, and labour practices to match, including stokers on diesel trains.
it was no wonder redundancies were due, the shame was they came so quick and had not been worked on over the previous 30 years, which may have encouraged co operation from unions to modernise and money spent on investment in the factories rather than wages
 

Scribus

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Central Atlantic
yes there were jobs lost across the spectrum, as the government made the decision which had been staring governments in the face for at least 2 decades, nationalised industries not just do not work , but cost the taxpayer an incredible amount of money. Taxation was at astronomical levels to try to pay for this forcing poverty on those not able to get their snout in the trough of union closed workshops. Billions of money were wasted trying to extract coal from worked out pits. Then more millions chucked at the steel industry to make jobs in areas of high unemployment wirhout any thought about the logistical nightmare this created with steel billets being produced at Recarr taken to Wales for rolling, then back to Scotland for Galvanising. In Germany all this would have been done in one factory!
I wont even start on British Leyland except to say even the employees were reluctant to buy their own product.
Then the railways were a joke, rolling stock from pre war, and labour practices to match, including stokers on diesel trains.
it was no wonder redundancies were due, the shame was they came so quick and had not been worked on over the previous 30 years, which may have encouraged co operation from unions to modernise and money spent on investment in the factories rather than wages
And privatised railways are costing the taxpayer just as much, if not more. That wasn't in the plan.
 

TheTallGuy

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Cambridgeshire
And privatised railways are costing the taxpayer just as much, if not more. That wasn't in the plan.
Indeed, many of the issues in latter day BR were due to the treasury being tight fisted. Take a look at what BR did achieve creating the HST/MK3 rolling stock still being in use today, the lamentable pacers that despite being truly awful have propped up local services for 30 years - services that would otherwise have been unviable. What has the privatised railway achieved since the mid 90s? West Coast Route Modernisation stupidly over budget & cut back, franchises failing... Great Western electrification over budget, late & cut back, Crossrail over budget & years late... weeks of strikes on SWR.... review after review all pointing to privatisation having failed... higher overall subsidy (index linked) compared to the 80s, despite passengers paying significantly higher ticket prices... seats that are as comfortable as ironing boards - I could go on! About the only great improvements we have seen have been in safety.
 

Exfarmer

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Location
Bury St Edmunds
Indeed, many of the issues in latter day BR were due to the treasury being tight fisted. Take a look at what BR did achieve creating the HST/MK3 rolling stock still being in use today, the lamentable pacers that despite being truly awful have propped up local services for 30 years - services that would otherwise have been unviable. What has the privatised railway achieved since the mid 90s? West Coast Route Modernisation stupidly over budget & cut back, franchises failing... Great Western electrification over budget, late & cut back, Crossrail over budget & years late... weeks of strikes on SWR.... review after review all pointing to privatisation having failed... higher overall subsidy (index linked) compared to the 80s, despite passengers paying significantly higher ticket prices... seats that are as comfortable as ironing boards - I could go on! About the only great improvements we have seen have been in safety.
I agree there are certainly huge issues, and the greatest one is as you say the slow speed sand huge cost of the line improvements. Massive cost overruns, gross overmanning, poor planning and the blame can nearly all be laid at the foot of just one company, Network Rail.
And who owns Network Rail, you and I the taxpayer! It may not be called nationalised , but as they say if it flies ands quacks its a duck!
 

TheTallGuy

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Location
Cambridgeshire
I'd be very uncomfortable claiming that any improvement in safety standards has anything to do with privatisation. Plenty other industries have made vast improvement within both the private and public sectors.
I didn't mean to suggest that the safety improvements were down to privatisation, however corporate liability has helped with the safety drive.
 

jendan

Member
Looks like Boris is going to do a Tony Blair New Labour
An interesting take on it .(dont tell @Danllan). Probably why they both got elected.If Johnson comes back from Brussels with his oven ready deal now cooked and it proves to be an undercooked BRINO,the ERG group will do for him like they have done to all the previous Tory pms.
 

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A new UK-wide cattle and sheep industry group is to be created to speed up progress against endemic diseases and reputational challenges which are costing the cattle and sheep sectors at least £500 million per year.

An industry consultation* on creating the new group had a strong majority supporting the move in principle, with many believing it will accelerate work to...
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