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Hindsight

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If Boris gets the deals done , we'll do very little with the EU
First UK is not trading with the EU, but the individual countries as members of a grouping called the EU. I pedantic but essential point. Second a grouping of 400million consumers a few kms and an hour or two from the UK with similar tastes, custons and culture with which there are upteen decades of close co-operation within manufacturing and service industries.

And you say 'we'll do very little with the EU.

I know you are a wind up merchant and a pee taker, but if you believe even an eensy weensy bit of that statement and you are typical of the Leave Tory then goodness help
I've just had an interesting conversation with a fairly knowledgeable and well-connected chum, and a point was raised by him that is pretty obvious, but which hadn't occurred to me. :banghead:

There are 65 or so members of the ERG (plus some non-members who vote with them) who were returned to Parliament in the GE, you know, the GE in which Boris got an 80 seat majority. These are people who sat in the last Parliament and are back for more.

That same GE brought in 47 new seats, and members, to the PCP as well as other new members replacing retirees and defectors - such as Monsieur Dominic Grieve. And CCHQ has >35 of its new MPs as supporters of a hard Brexit, i.e. happy to walk away, if a deal doesn't seem acceptable to them.

That puts the total number of Conservative MPs who would favour a harder Brexit at, at least, the hundred mark. Which is more than Boris's 80 seat majority...
But we knew that old fella. The Conservative and Brexit Party have seen off the remainers in their own party and the remainers in the remainers parties. Now we mere Joes who are not one of the 150,000 electorate of the Conservative and Brexit Party are going to watch the leopard show its true spots (or whatever that old saying was). And possibly another instalment of the Tory civil war. But I full expect another rerun of he no deal next atuumn, or sooner as that is what the Conservative and Brexit party really, really wants?
 

jendan

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I don't mind listening to Professor Kuenssberg's daughter , and I don't really get that she's biased. Another web site I'm on want her eviscerated as a Tory party stooge. I suppose it's all depends on how ones own prejudices resonate.
She had to get Police protection at the 2018 Labour Party conference.
 

bobk

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stafford
First UK is not trading with the EU, but the individual countries as members of a grouping called the EU. I pedantic but essential point. Second a grouping of 400million consumers a few kms and an hour or two from the UK with similar tastes, custons and culture with which there are upteen decades of close co-operation within manufacturing and service industries.

And you say 'we'll do very little with the EU.

I know you are a wind up merchant and a pee taker, but if you believe even an eensy weensy bit of that statement and you are typical of the Leave Tory then goodness help
Ooh , we have hit a nerve haven't we . calm yourself or move to Scotland .
 

Forage Trader

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Ceredigion
You have got it wrong.Johnson is trying to emulate Blair,and will have his eyes on 3 election victories.Blair said many times after Johnson was elected leader of the Tories that there would only be one winner between him and Corbyn.They have alot in common,and can read the public mood well,although Johnson gets his information from the Wheeler family.Both of them happy to brown nose the respective American presidents.
Cummings is the one, hes Durham born and said "Austerity was a mistake as it came down to hard" and the nobs in London did not have a clue about the needs up north"
 

jendan

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I've just had an interesting conversation with a fairly knowledgeable and well-connected chum, and a point was raised by him that is pretty obvious, but which hadn't occurred to me. :banghead:

There are 65 or so members of the ERG (plus some non-members who vote with them) who were returned to Parliament in the GE, you know, the GE in which Boris got an 80 seat majority. These are people who sat in the last Parliament and are back for more.

That same GE brought in 47 new seats, and members, to the PCP as well as other new members replacing retirees and defectors - such as Monsieur Dominic Grieve. And CCHQ has >35 of its new MPs as supporters of a hard Brexit, i.e. happy to walk away, if a deal doesn't seem acceptable to them.

That puts the total number of Conservative MPs who would favour a harder Brexit at, at least, the hundred mark. Which is more than Boris's 80 seat majority...
Ive already written this in two posts,without any inside knowledge.Hindsight has already worked it out as well.If Johnson comes back with his BRINO,the ERG group will make him toast.It would be the height of amusement and irony,if the 100 strong ERG voted it down because it is not hard enough.
 

Danllan

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A population being manipulated by a powerful minority against their better interests.
Ah, you're a paranoid lefty conspiracist then. (y)

Define hard Brexit
Boris has said what he wants , he will stick with that i believe , why rock the boat when things are going well
Yes, he has the mandate and the numbers. I see no need to do more or less.

Ive already written this in two posts,without any inside knowledge.Hindsight has already worked it out as well.If Johnson comes back with his BRINO,the ERG group will make him toast.It would be the height of amusement and irony,if the 100 strong ERG voted it down because it is not hard enough.
Apologies, I missed those, I've not seen it enumerated anywhere. As I wrote before, I think it will come back a bit harder than its current incarnation, but not quite as hard as the ERG would like.

Surprised you, being all doom, gloom & negative spin, would be amused by no deal. :)
 

Hindsight

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Lincolnshire
Ive already written this in two posts,without any inside knowledge.Hindsight has already worked it out as well.If Johnson comes back with his BRINO,the ERG group will make him toast.It would be the height of amusement and irony,if the 100 strong ERG voted it down because it is not hard enough.
I can't wait. This soap opera just keeps on giving.

There will be a rich irony if Johnson has to rely on votes from the opposition to get his deal through!

Anyway the next series is not available yet. I understand the screenplay is being worked on. Actors and actresses hired as a few of the previous cast have not been rehired for the next series. Locations being sought, though again, as in previous series, mainly on location in Brussels and London, but possibly with this new trade talk series some of the other European capitals are bidding for a place in the screenplay. Be good for their hotel trade.

Climax is being scheduled to coincide with the 2020 final of Strictly and I'm a celebrity get me out of here. There are some rumours Mr Boris Johnson may play a starring role in all three?
 

jendan

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Ah, you're a paranoid lefty conspiracist then. (y)


Yes, he has the mandate and the numbers. I see no need to do more or less.


Apologies, I missed those, I've not seen it enumerated anywhere. As I wrote before, I think it will come back a bit harder than its current incarnation, but not quite as hard as the ERG would like.

Surprised you, being all doom, gloom & negative spin, would be amused by no deal. :)
I would be amused by the irony of it all.That after getting rid of the remainer MPs blocking the deal,he could find an empowered ERG group vote it down.
 

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