Will they get the job done

[SteveHants]

if the subs go ,the banks go , it is the high value of property on the banks books , that make them look solvent

Most UK farming operations aren't excessively leveraged, apparently.

 

[jendan]

What about those posting on here a week before that the Tory lead over Labour had shrunk to 8%. Most polls were predicting around a 68 seat Tory majority. Of course exit polls are more likely to be accurate but even many who were actually recording the information were quite taken aback by the impending swing.

The vast majority posting on here are Brexit Tories.So i dont know what your point is.As soon as the election was called,the result of a Johnson majority was a foregone conclusion to me.The pitiful thing now is,is that there is no effective opposition.Corbyn,MacDonnell,momentum and Lansdown just dont get it! I have just listened to Phil Wilson,defeated former MP for Sedgefield on North Politics after the A Marr show.There was no doubt for him.Every door he knocked on was "I will not vote for Corbyn for PM",even when they were Labour through and through.

 

[jendan]

What about those posting on here a week before that the Tory lead over Labour had shrunk to 8%. Most polls were predicting around a 68 seat Tory majority. Of course exit polls are more likely to be accurate but even many who were actually recording the information were quite taken aback by the impending swing.

A 68 majority when they got 80 is as near as you will ever get from pre election polls.

 

[Hilly]

I suspect Prof Curtice is correct and there would be a narrow remain majority if we had another referendum. But we've had two votes in favour of leave now and with the system we have BoJo has a clear mandate to take us out. No complaints about that from this quarter.

Going by the general election I don’t think so ! Remain would be blown firmly out the water just like the party’s that supported it.

 

[arcobob]

The vast majority posting on here are Brexit Tories.So i dont know what your point is.As soon as the election was called,the result of a Johnson majority was a foregone conclusion to me.The pitiful thing now is,is that there is no effective opposition.Corbyn,MacDonnell,momentum and Lansdown just dont get it! I have just listened to Phil Wilson,defeated former MP for Sedgefield on North Politics after the A Marr show.There was no doubt for him.Every door he knocked on was "I will not vote for Corbyn for PM",even when they were Labour through and through.

If you ignore the media channels and keep your ear to the ground the wave of discontent and distrust of Corbyn and his cronies was plain to see. Did Phil Wilson only start engaging with his constituents just before the election? If he was that far remote from the man in the street he should have lost his seat anyway. If he detected a serious problem much earlier did he convey this to his party leaders or did they simply ignore him? Perhaps a question of bad MPs and bad leaders.

 

[Hilly]

The vast majority posting on here are Brexit Tories.So i dont know what your point is.As soon as the election was called,the result of a Johnson majority was a foregone conclusion to me.The pitiful thing now is,is that there is no effective opposition.Corbyn,MacDonnell,momentum and Lansdown just dont get it! I have just listened to Phil Wilson,defeated former MP for Sedgefield on North Politics after the A Marr show.There was no doubt for him.Every door he knocked on was "I will not vote for Corbyn for PM",even when they were Labour through and through.

Their has been no effective opposition since Blair and non before him.

 

[jendan]

Their has been no effective opposition since Blair and non before him.

Possibly right,but maybe why our politics is sh!te at the moment.

 

[jendan]

If you ignore the media channels and keep your ear to the ground the wave of discontent and distrust of Corbyn and his cronies was plain to see. Did Phil Wilson only start engaging with his constituents just before the election? If he was that far remote from the man in the street he should have lost his seat anyway. If he detected a serious problem much earlier did he convey this to his party leaders or did they simply ignore him? Perhaps a question of bad MPs and bad leaders.

No idea.I am not a Labour supporter but i think there should be an effective opposition.One that has a genuine chance of winning an election.

 

[Hilly]

Possibly right,but maybe why our politics is sh!te at the moment.

Politics are shyt because of career politicians made whole worse by Blair making university for all .

 

[Hilly]

I spoke to three professionals last week , all said they were firm remain but changed due to the laungae the Eu have used way they treat us after the vote , I was starting to lean towards remain because so sick of it

 

[br jones]

All the polls and the exit poll this election have been spot on! The exit poll 2017 was correct as well.

Mr crtice had until election day had said it was 20 seats maj or a hung parliment ,the exit poll is a different matter

 

[jendan]

Mr crtice had until election day had said it was 20 seats maj or a hung parliment ,the exit poll is a different matter

Nearly all the polls were consistent with a Tory lead of 10% to 12%.

 

[roscoe erf]

I came to an informed decision. Bits of EU membership are a plus, other bits a minus. Overall, I think it's positive for the country but there's no point in taking over the coals now.

like the rest of us

 

[M-J-G]

Boris has nobody to blame now but himself so well see what he's made of.

I don't like him as a person and he has a face and a shifty manner that doesn't allow me to trust him, but he's what we've got and he was the least stinky piece of sh!t out of the heap that could have ended up as PM.

I've always said I'll give him credit once he's actually achieved something, so let's see.

 

[Raider112]

If you ignore the media channels and keep your ear to the ground the wave of discontent and distrust of Corbyn and his cronies was plain to see. Did Phil Wilson only start engaging with his constituents just before the election? If he was that far remote from the man in the street he should have lost his seat anyway. If he detected a serious problem much earlier did he convey this to his party leaders or did they simply ignore him? Perhaps a question of bad MPs and bad leaders.

A bloke in the paper today who was an advisor or something to Corbyn saying that he has been telling them every week for the last 3 years that they were alienating their supporters in the North of England but they wouldn't listen.

 

[br jones]

From the sctsman ,

Insight: Prof Sir John Curtice on why its too close to call
HAVE YOUR SAY
As the fate of so many seats rests on so few votes, Sir John Curtice tells Chris McCall why Thursday’s general election could still be full of surprises

 

[Ukjay]

Possibly right,but maybe why our politics is sh!te at the moment.

It's not only Politics that's f**ked, business has gone the very same way.

Too many people simply thinking of their own back pockets, pushing for major and rapid growth year on year to become the biggest - although not necessarily the most ethical / profitable.

Greed is a dangerous thing, as it blinkers you to the world around, but when creaming the money - it will not affect them in their lifetime, so continue as normal.

 

[arcobob]

A bloke in the paper today who was an advisor or something to Corbyn saying that he has been telling them every week for the last 3 years that they were alienating their supporters in the North of England but they wouldn't listen.

And the man from Sedgefield only found out in the last two weeks. Wow, what a dynamic party representing the grass roots voter.

 

[Cowmangav]

All the polls and the exit poll this election have been spot on! The exit poll 2017 was correct as well.

His prediction of 368 Cons seats was amazing , given they ended up on 365. He admitted to being less sure of his Scottish prediction due , he said , to fewer sampling points. 55 SNP turned out to be a wide margin of error , compared to the 48 they achieved. Given the Lib Dems managed 4 seats in Scotland , I think he must have been predicting only one ( Orkney and Shetland , together as one seat and a near certainty for the Lib Dems ).
Then South Edinburgh ( the poshest bit - the Grange and Morningside etc is extremely safe Labour ) would have left two seats for the Conservatives. 55 + 1 Lab + 1 LD +2 Con = 59

However the Cons took 6 so , his 368 predicted Cons seats would have been actually 366 English/Welsh and 2 Scottish. In reality it was 359 English/Welsh and 6 Scottish. He did of course underestimate Labour at 191 , so where did the extra 12 Labour seats come from? He had LibDems on 13 - with perhaps only 1 Scottish , thus estimating their English seats on 12 , but they only got 10 minus 4 Scottish seats = 6 . Labour didn't win Lib Dem seats though , so Labour must have held more seats against the Conservatives. They lost about 5 to the SNP.

Of course an earlier poll gave Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath to Labour - since the SNP man was debarred from the party . He still won it though.

 

[Roy_H]

A Blair ? Not T

Anthony Charles Lynton Blair, known to all and sundry as "Tony"