Will this require any special tools?

[stugordon321]

Im about to start to strip the front end of my IH674 down to sort the dodgie steering out. Not ever done this kind of job before I would like to know if it requires any special tools.
Obviously I've got the usual sockets, spammers etc & ball joint splitter but will I need anything else? Only I don't want to start stripping it only to find I can't finish it due to not having the right tools.
The steering is shocking, with loads of play so when driving it, it has a mind of its own. I've looked at it from underneath while someone turns the wheel & can see where there's play so I need to find out what needs replacing.
Does anyone know how heavy the front end is? Only want to be sure my axle stands will hold it safely.
I'm guessing there will some kind of bushes etc that will need replacing, is this correct? If so what kind of bushes are they?? Will they come out with heat etc?
Finally has anyone used Intertracuk. for replacement parts? If so what are they like? Or can you suggest anywhere else to supply the parts I'll need?
Thanks Stu

 

[deere66]

No special tools needed. The design is a bit crap really, small movement on the ram part linked to large movement of the wheels = wear esp if big wheels fitted. 3 main wear areas, pin on the ram end, pin at the front of the ram holder and the top and bottom halves of the ram. All have bushes IIRC which are easy to change, problem is, if bush is completely shagged and the pins have worn. It's possible build up worn areas with braze or weld if you dare, after all the steering is quite a critical safety area.

Front isn't heavy, put blocks under sump and drop the whole axle out then you can check main pivot as well.

No experience of Inta-trac

http://partstore.caseih.com/us/parts-search.html#epc::mr50005ar703500

 

[Gapples]

Stu
Has the front axle got 2 or 3 bolts holding the stubs in ?
If only 2 then have it drilled out so you have 3 bolts in each side.
This makes a huge difference.

 

[Gapples]

www.tractorparts.co.uk

 

[stugordon321]

Thanks lads
Can't say I've noticed how many bolts hold the stub axles TBH but from what you say I'd guess 2. It's at my yard which I only go to when necessary so will have a look next time I'm there during the week. I'd guess 2 as a previous owner has attempted to weld the axle up where you alter how far apart the wheels are ( is this where you mean) as I think this is held by 2 bolts. "If" this is where you mean would I just drill another hike between the 2 existing bolt holes? If so what kind of steel is this? & could it be drilled by myself or is it a job for a machine shop??

 

[stugordon321]

Deere66 can't think of where I noticed play when the steering was moved about. Hopefully the bushes are ok but guess I'll find out as don't fancey trying to weld it myself as not done much welding for years although have been doing some recently which wasn't a crap as expected so bit more practice I might be up for it.
When you say about big wheels do you mean on this tractor or in general as couldn't say if got bigger tyres or not.
Would anyone know the correct size? So I can check mine.
Thanks Stu

 

[Gapples]

Thanks lads
Can't say I've noticed how many bolts hold the stub axles TBH but from what you say I'd guess 2. It's at my yard which I only go to when necessary so will have a look next time I'm there during the week. I'd guess 2 as a previous owner has attempted to weld the axle up where you alter how far apart the wheels are ( is this where you mean) as I think this is held by 2 bolts. "If" this is where you mean would I just drill another hike between the 2 existing bolt holes? If so what kind of steel is this? & could it be drilled by myself or is it a job for a machine shop??

Yes that's exactly where I mean Stu, I would take the front bolster off completely, take the centre pivot pin out, it will no doubt need new bushes as well, then have the axle drilled correctly at a machine shop, its not huge operation. Once you've got 3 bolts in there & tight they'll never move.
Replacing all the pins & bushes around the steering ram is also fairly straightforward, do them all & your steering will be fine.
PS
If where the pin goes through the clevis on the ram is very loose & it will be, check to see the axle has been drilled to accept a bush to take up play

 

[stugordon321]

Thanks Gapples yet again for your help.
From how I understand what you're saying is it normal for axle to be drilling & bushed or is this usually done to sort out play on an old machine??
Or is it bushes as standard from factory??
Thanks Stu

 

[Mursal]

2WD or 4WD, sorry I missed that bit?
Get someone to move the steering wheel ever so slightly (engine running) and watch to see where the wear is in the linkages? Probably a ball joint.
Then jack up the front and pull the top of the wheel in/out to see what play you have in the steering swivel/kingpins.
Bottom roller/ball bearing will probably need replacing, but usually doesn't cause it to "wander" on the road.

 

[Gapples]

Thanks Gapples yet again for your help.
From how I understand what you're saying is it normal for axle to be drilling & bushed or is this usually done to sort out play on an old machine??
Or is it bushes as standard from factory??
Thanks Stu

Hi Stu

Its a modification to overcome wear in the axle, I'd be surprised if yours didn't already have that bush fitted.

 

[stugordon321]

Sorry Mursal, it's 2wd I forgot to mention that.
Gapples you say it will more than likely have been re-bushed. Is this a mod that most owners have done to improve there steering? Or because of wear & tare from a use. Either way I would guess it will need doing as I've driven some old sheds in the past with wondering steering but nothing like this. I had a 10 mile drive to my yard after buying it, not something I want to repeat as it was scary. Could only go 8/10 mile a hour it was that bad although I had to constantly correct it, which is when it wanders. It turns sharper when turning left then if steering right the wheel would need to be turned more than if steering left. If that makes sense? This was with nothing hanging off the rear arms so can only imagine how bad it would be with something heavy on 3pt linkage.
Hopefully I'll find time to have a proper look at during the week & get some photos of the parts that have okay etc.
Unfortunately it's nothing like a cars steering with steering rack etc so will learn as I go. It doesn't look to complicated so hope I can sort it out without to much hassle.
Assuming it needs new bushes what's the correct way of getting the old bush out? Or is it simply hammer it out with a punch?
Obviously plenty of grease in reassembly?
Thanks everyone
Stu

 

[Paddington]

I use Intatrac for service items, small parts etc as they are local and know their stuff, though the office phones are always busy. I think @JP1 and some other forum members have had issues with contacting them for mail order items.

 

[Gapples]

Sorry Mursal, it's 2wd I forgot to mention that.
Gapples you say it will more than likely have been re-bushed. Is this a mod that most owners have done to improve there steering? Or because of wear & tare from a use. Either way I would guess it will need doing as I've driven some old sheds in the past with wondering steering but nothing like this. I had a 10 mile drive to my yard after buying it, not something I want to repeat as it was scary. Could only go 8/10 mile a hour it was that bad although I had to constantly correct it, which is when it wanders. It turns sharper when turning left then if steering right the wheel would need to be turned more than if steering left. If that makes sense? This was with nothing hanging off the rear arms so can only imagine how bad it would be with something heavy on 3pt linkage.
Hopefully I'll find time to have a proper look at during the week & get some photos of the parts that have okay etc.
Unfortunately it's nothing like a cars steering with steering rack etc so will learn as I go. It doesn't look to complicated so hope I can sort it out without to much hassle.
Assuming it needs new bushes what's the correct way of getting the old bush out? Or is it simply hammer it out with a punch?
Obviously plenty of grease in reassembly?
Thanks everyone
Stu

Hi Stu
Its an IH mod, the bush comes with the new pin, your going to have to go to town on this axle, repair everything but it will be worth it.
If you are constantly correcting you may find the ram seals are shot or the centering leaf springs in the steering orbitrol are broken.
But first of all get those bushes, clevis & pins replaced plus convert to a 3 bolt axle.

Sorry, yes the bush will just hammer out.

 

[Mursal]

I'd study ball joint wear first, watching as someone sits in the seat tipping the steering ...........

 

[JP1]

I use Intatrac for service items, small parts etc as they are local and know their stuff, though the office phones are always busy. I think @JP1 and some other forum members have had issues with contacting them for mail order items.

Not me .

I did enquire about a refurbished tractor once, that's all

 

[cfr1964]

I use Intatrac for service items, small parts etc as they are local and know their stuff, though the office phones are always busy. I think @JP1 and some other forum members have had issues with contacting them for mail order items.

It was me , among others
Whereabouts are you in the country @stugordon321 ?

 

[deere66]

Deere66 can't think of where I noticed play when the steering was moved about. Hopefully the bushes are ok but guess I'll find out as don't fancey trying to weld it myself as not done much welding for years although have been doing some recently which wasn't a crap as expected so bit more practice I might be up for it.
When you say about big wheels do you mean on this tractor or in general as couldn't say if got bigger tyres or not.
Would anyone know the correct size? So I can check mine.
Thanks Stu

Standard wheels are 7.50x16. Some have been replaced with 10.5 or 11.5x 15.3. This accelerates wear as the wheel is further out from the kingpin

 

[REStracTORATION]

I can get you the parts if you want any

 

[Mursal]

Nice poppy ..............
Does my head in when regulars change their avatar, every second day ........
Bit dyslexic, so use the image to know who's who .........

 

[REStracTORATION]

Nice poppy ..............
Does my head in when regulars change their avatar, every second day ........
Bit dyslexic, so use the image to know who's who .........

Yea i agree i refer to images aaswell

I will change back when the yellow tractor is finished and leave that on