Will we be ploughing for re seeding in the future?

delilah

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from what i can see ELMS is going to make ploughing pretty financial unattractive

Which is why the ELMS options need to be changed.
We are constantly told that ELMS isn't meant to be a subsidy, yet you have just acknowledged that as it stands it is a subsidy, for min-till.
There is no 'public good' in subsidizing min-till over ploughing, any more than there is 'public good' in subsidizing ploughing over min-till.
There is nothing wrong our side of the farm gate.
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I see quite the opposite but we are trying a lot of ideas . I could talk all day about how thrilled I am with it and best of all the stone picker is rusting away in the shed

Has your mate had it a year yet? :scratchhead:

DD just doesn't wok all the time, sometimes a little cultivation (not necessarily ploughing) is needed IME. It may be less necessary on some of the boy's land that a lot of DD'ers call home, but on heavier soils it is less reliable as an establishment method.
 

delilah

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We have to do something about the damage done to climate, surely of all people farmers can see this ?

crazy to even consider doing it in 2021 or that its still legal given the clear present state of our climate

surely only a lunatic would continue to damage their own environment ?

This fellow farmer bashing will achieve nothing, and is entirely erroneous. Farmers are their own worse enemies in trying to blame themselves for the state of the environment. There are many environmental problems in the rest of the food chain, and we should be united as an industry in pointing that out to Government. Having been an environmental campaigner all of my adult life, I have to tell you that you are doing nothing wrong. Anyone who thinks so needs to get out more.
 
Location
Ceredigion
Has your mate had it a year yet? :scratchhead:

DD just doesn't wok all the time, sometimes a little cultivation (not necessarily ploughing) is needed IME. It may be less necessary on some of the boy's land that a lot of DD'ers call home, but on heavier soils it is less reliable as an establishment method.
I agree but
Neither does ploughing . That soil in the picture above is quite moist , this next picture is a field thats been ploughed soil is like dust which has the most chance of growing if either , you guys act like . Its failed my worlds come to an end [emoji17]. How many corn and rape crops failed in the last two years ?
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How many gallons of water have been lost here

I suppose the difference is i won't lose any sleep if its not a 100 % . At the worst I will Redrill or Stich some in if its to thin as I know I'm on the right path to the perfect seedbed. The hard work as been done .
 
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hally

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Location
cumbria
One of the biggest problem to dd old grassland we find is the lack of any pest control, some Dursban in the roundup made grass to grass reseeding more reliable in the past. Nowadays very nervous about it tbh without a break crop as we have had odd complete failures in recent years and can’t think of any other reason. Drilled two fiends next to a major road in our area last year, one into turnips came very well, and one grass in what I thought was very good conditions which totally failed.....very visibly and to a regular customer.
Drilled one at home the next day and we had a very good result. Heavy land a direct drilling is a bit of a problem as well for our Erth drill, just can’t seem to get enough seed/soil contact on its own. The jury is out about the flat roller on it being effective enough.
 
I agree but
Neither does ploughing . That soil in the picture above is quite moist , this next picture is a field thats been ploughed soil is like dust which has the most chance of growing if either , you guys act like . Its failed my worlds come to an end [emoji17]. How many corn and rape crops failed in the last two years ?
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How many gallons of water have been lost here
It will be a while before that germinates , I’ve seen trials on reseeding with differant and in dry weather the Erth machine won easily.
 

neilo

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
I agree but
Neither does ploughing . That soil in the picture above is quite moist , this next picture is a field thats been ploughed soil is like dust which has the most chance of growing if either , you guys act like . Its failed my worlds come to an end [emoji17]. How many corn and rape crops failed in the last two years ?
View attachment 956573

How many gallons of water have been lost here

I won't have a plough on the place either, but experience has taught me that DD doesn't always work.

It would pointless DD’ing into this (clay soil and grazed fodder beet):

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Has your mate had it a year yet? :scratchhead:

DD just doesn't wok all the time, sometimes a little cultivation (not necessarily ploughing) is needed IME. It may be less necessary on some of the boy's land that a lot of DD'ers call home, but on heavier soils it is less reliable as an establishment method.
The same with dry areas too, I've tried overseeding and and DD and all that happened is that the seed was wasted.
Not all the time but both spring and autumn here is generally pretty dry.
I generally GLS and powerharrow or disc before seeding.
If it's a very wet season in might try onto the surface, but in a normal year it's generally a non starter.
 
Location
Ceredigion
I won't have a plough on the place either, but experience has taught me that DD doesn't always work.
Dont you think I know that . But you act like ploughing is 100 % , I know from experience is far from it
I probably direct drill for totaly different reasons than you . One of those being the massive stone problem If we plough , the and the massive weed bank you bring up . The cost of having to relevel a flat field that I have spent hours with a leveling board in years gone by to get flat .....
 
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renewablejohn

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Location
lancs
I agree but
Neither does ploughing . That soil in the picture above is quite moist , this next picture is a field thats been ploughed soil is like dust which has the most chance of growing if either , you guys act like . Its failed my worlds come to an end [emoji17]. How many corn and rape crops failed in the last two years ?
View attachment 956573

How many gallons of water have been lost here

I suppose the difference is i won't lose any sleep if its not a 100 % . At the worst I will Redrill or Stich some in if its to thin as I know I'm on the right path to the perfect seedbed. The hard work as been done .
Always makes me wonder how many tonnes an outfit like that is. I will stick to the light touch as compaction to me is the devil that needs defeating not plough v DD.
 

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