Will you be looking to take part in the future SFI/ELMS scheme? - 7/12/21

[Henarar]

If you farm 10000 acres maybe

Or collaborate

 

[Wombat]

Or collaborate

No thanks

 

[Henarar]

No thanks

Well you unsociable bugger

 

[Tarw Coch]

Or collaborate

Didn’t they used to shoot collaborators in the war years

 

[tinsheet]

Had a rough scan through the options, I'd say I'll probably take it up, it'll mean very little change to my current farming methods, so would be silly not to.

 

[delilah]

But as I understand and might be wrong, often am isn’t the pot divided into 3 in 2027 in which sfi/elms etc is all in one pot? So the maximum pot for farmers is reduced as the other pots include landscape recovery etc to keep rspb/ Nat trust happy?

including RSPB, NGO's and NT et al...

You boys worry too much. Yes it currently says an equal 3 way split SFI/LR/LNR, but no way will that happen, @Janet Hughes Defra has as good as said on here that LR is a dead duck. The penny has dropped that if ELMS doesn't work for farmers then it doesn't work. Keep pushing .

 

[4course]

the simple answer is no , nothing has changed to create even a modicom of enthusiasm

 

[Humble Village Farmer]

I’m wondering what would happen when a possible famine happens due to the fertiliser shortage, when prices of grain rise so high that Nobody is interested in any form of ELMs support, therefore cannot be controlled as to how they farm or what they farm?

The demand for food will exceed supply. It's just a question of when.

 

[Grass And Grain]

Looking like hardly worth the bother in management time for a small farm, and the inflexibility.

Can't commit to OM applications to 1/3rd of farm each year, and making sure each acre gets OM by end of year 3. Bale all the straw here, so relying on FYM applications, which we're now not allowed to do in autumn for cereals. Heavy land means spring crops are not reliable, so that leaves me with a very short window to put a catch crop in before autumn drilling for OM addition. Expect the seed and establish ment will cost more than the SFI payment.

That's added to my other problems caused by the autumn FYM ban. My spring cropping land now needs to take all the FYM. It's sand which is high in phosphate, so only supposed to apply to crop phosphate requirements. What am I supposed to do?

Back to SFI. My time would probably be better employed concentrating on something else which earns more £££ per hour. SFI X 1,000 acres = worth the bother. SFI X someone with say 100 acres = not worth the bother.

 

[Henarar]

Looking like hardly worth the bother in management time for a small farm, and the inflexibility.

Can't commit to OM applications to 1/3rd of farm each year, and making sure each acre gets OM by end of year 3. Bale all the straw here, so relying on FYM applications, which we're now not allowed to do in autumn for cereals. Heavy land means spring crops are not reliable, so that leaves me with a very short window to put a catch crop in before autumn drilling for OM addition. Expect the seed and establish ment will cost more than the SFI payment.

That's added to my other problems caused by the autumn FYM ban. My spring cropping land now needs to take all the FYM. It's sand which is high in phosphate, so only supposed to apply to crop phosphate requirements. What am I supposed to do?

Back to SFI. My time would probably be better employed concentrating on something else which earns more £££ per hour. SFI X 1,000 acres = worth the bother. SFI X someone with say 100 acres = not worth the bother.

chaff is a OM application

 

[steveR]

You boys worry too much. Yes it currently says an equal 3 way split SFI/LR/LNR, but no way will that happen, @Janet Hughes Defra has as good as said on here that LR is a dead duck. The penny has dropped that if ELMS doesn't work for farmers then it doesn't work. Keep pushing .

I's a pushin' Boss....

SFI? Just KISS

 

[Grass And Grain]

chaff is a OM application

Might leave a long stubble

 

[Jackov Altraids]

Had a rough scan through the options, I'd say I'll probably take it up, it'll mean very little change to my current farming methods, so would be silly not to.

This was my initial thought but those little changes would cost me as much as I would potentially gain.
And that doesn't even start to take into account the time and stress involved.
The first headache is that the majority of the farm is permanent pasture and I'm not sure it qualifies as either improved grassland or low or no-input grassland

 

[Henarar]

Might leave a long stubble

Thats not an application, chaff is as your applying it with the combine

 

[Andrew K]

Only on the land they own and manage without it being rented out to a tenant.
They clearly state that will support those actually farming it rather than landlords.

I,m confused, trying to make the farming part of our operation simpler and more in keeping with its limited earning power.

 

[DrWazzock]

This was my initial thought but those little changes would cost me as much as I would potentially gain.
And that doesn't even start to take into account the time and stress involved.
The first headache is that the majority of the farm is permanent pasture and I'm not sure it qualifies as either improved grassland or low or no-input grassland

There is always some clause about keeping stock off for so many weeks, etc that make it awkward. We looked at herbal leys in CS but more than likely the ewes and lambs would have to kept off it at their time if greatest need.
Then there is the 70% cover requirement in SFI. Quite subjective as what is actually meant by that and unachievable here with most autumn sown crops or stubble natural greening up.
Not worth the bother for us on a small acreage. Too inflexible.

 

[neilo]

Looking like hardly worth the bother in management time for a small farm, and the inflexibility.

Can't commit to OM applications to 1/3rd of farm each year, and making sure each acre gets OM by end of year 3. Bale all the straw here, so relying on FYM applications, which we're now not allowed to do in autumn for cereals. Heavy land means spring crops are not reliable, so that leaves me with a very short window to put a catch crop in before autumn drilling for OM addition. Expect the seed and establish ment will cost more than the SFI payment.

That's added to my other problems caused by the autumn FYM ban. My spring cropping land now needs to take all the FYM. It's sand which is high in phosphate, so only supposed to apply to crop phosphate requirements. What am I supposed to do?

Back to SFI. My time would probably be better employed concentrating on something else which earns more £££ per hour. SFI X 1,000 acres = worth the bother. SFI X someone with say 100 acres = not worth the bother.

Lob some mustard seed on the stubble wit a slug pelleter for about a fiver an acre, then graze it (if you have stock) or spray (just a sniff needed) and DD into it. OM added with minimal cost.

 

[DrWazzock]

Lob some mustard seed on the stubble wit a slug pelleter for about a fiver an acre, then graze it (if you have stock) or spray (just a sniff needed) and DD into it. OM added with minimal cost.

Will you have 70% green cover with that when the inspector rolls up on 1st December? Mustard not frost hardy. Grazed and trampled. Some rows of wheat amongst it. There will maybe be 90% cover but the problem could be it won’t be green and if it is green will it be making holes in the wheat?

 

[Goweresque]

And that doesn't even start to take into account the time and stress involved.

I think thats the crucial issue - there's so much thats utterly unknowable in all this, you're making commitments for 3 years with no way of knowing if the weather gods or nature will play ball, and at any point some clipboard holder with a chip on his shoulder can descend on you and declare that what you've done is not satisfactory and demand all the money back.

 

[farmerm]

Looking like hardly worth the bother in management time for a small farm, and the inflexibility.

Can't commit to OM applications to 1/3rd of farm each year, and making sure each acre gets OM by end of year 3. Bale all the straw here, so relying on FYM applications, which we're now not allowed to do in autumn for cereals. Heavy land means spring crops are not reliable, so that leaves me with a very short window to put a catch crop in before autumn drilling for OM addition. Expect the seed and establish ment will cost more than the SFI payment.

That's added to my other problems caused by the autumn FYM ban. My spring cropping land now needs to take all the FYM. It's sand which is high in phosphate, so only supposed to apply to crop phosphate requirements. What am I supposed to do?

Back to SFI. My time would probably be better employed concentrating on something else which earns more £££ per hour. SFI X 1,000 acres = worth the bother. SFI X someone with say 100 acres = not worth the bother.

OM applied to 1/3 of the farm each year, sure you can, stick just put10kg/ha of wood pellets through the fert spinner, box ticked, next