Will's No Till Diary

[Feldspar]

It could be. I think its the acidity from the decay rather than direct glyphosate simply.because i dont seem to get it in the autumn ever and talking with dad the times it has happened has been spring. But it could be yes.

I think if it stayed dryer im not sure it would have happened.

Rather annoying either way.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Rather annoying either way.

Yes. Particularly as still not sure what happened. Was pee'd off two days ago but the reality is its cost me some seed and some time. But its a warning again that things can go wrong.

 

[Flat 10]

Well i did say id report cock ups. Ive been two simoned!

Spring barley drilled 10 days ago has hardly germinated. Field is a write off. Basically sprayed stubble which was.ungrazed winter barley stubble 18 days before. After drilling it pee'd down for 3 days and this has effected germination.

Another lesson in 2 simoning! Luckily it was just recleaned farm saved seed so hasnt cost a fortune. Ill probably redrill with spring beans as field really needed a break but could just as easily redrill with barley next week in dry conditions.

Perplexing as ever...

I thought you were drilling AS with the spring barley???

 

[SilliamWhale]

I thought you were drilling AS with the spring barley???

I was. Still didnt help

 

[Dan Powell]

Had this happen last year after over wintered stubble wherever the swath had been the previous year as there were green lines of wheat volunteers. Where cover had been grazed bare by sheep there was no problem and identical glyphosate timing. Talked to @Richard III about this and I think the conclusion was that the volunteer wheat continues to pump out alleopathic chemicals after glyphosate is applied for some time and this affects the spring barley germination. I decided to use falcon on my covers and grazed them hard as a result this time but only sowed end of this week so not sure how it will go.

 

[Flat 10]

I was. Still didnt help

Will you get full benefit from that second time around?

 

[SilliamWhale]

Had this happen last year after over wintered stubble wherever the swath had been the previous year as there were green lines of wheat volunteers. Where cover had been grazed bare by sheep there was no problem and identical glyphosate timing. Talked to @Richard III about this and I think the conclusion was that the volunteer wheat continues to pump out alleopathic chemicals after glyphosate is applied for some time and this affects the spring barley germination. I decided to use falcon on my covers and grazed them hard as a result this time but only sowed end of this week so not sure how it will go.

Actually this was volunteer winter barley but planted into spring barley. Probably be the same thing as wheat. Again where I flash graze stubbles even for just a week i dont seem to have the issues.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Will you get full benefit from that second time around?

Not really as its going to beans now. Are you trying to catch me out for sowing beans having applied N or are you asking whu hasnt the AS ameliorated the situation? If the latter then id say i was too soon drilling, too late spraying, let the cover get too tall and the rain hasnt helped but even then its a jigsaw and i dont have the answer really

 

[d williams]

Not really as its going to beans now. Are you trying to catch me out for sowing beans having applied N or are you asking whu hasnt the AS ameliorated the situation? If the latter then id say i was too soon drilling, too late spraying, let the cover get too tall and the rain hasnt helped but even then its a jigsaw and i dont have the answer really

How long would you leave before drilling after burning off planning drilling Spring barley after 3 yrs ryegrass been grazed with cattle all winter fym spread going in with muzri it had 6 lt ha at 200lt water rate 2 weeks ago looks a good kill

 

[SilliamWhale]

How long would you leave before drilling after burning off planning drilling Spring barley after 3 yrs ryegrass been grazed with cattle all winter fym spread going in with muzri it had 6 lt ha at 200lt water rate 2 weeks ago looks a good kill

I dont know. Next week ive got.more barley to do and if it stays dry i think it will be ok
Also your mzuri should move.more.soil so dissapate the problem.

Its a wierd phenomenon.

 

[d williams]

I dont know. Next week ive got.more barley to do and if it stays dry i think it will be ok
Also your mzuri should move.more.soil so dissapate the problem.

Its a wierd phenomenon.

Many thanks will let you know how it goes

 

[Flat 10]

Not really as its going to beans now. Are you trying to catch me out for sowing beans having applied N or are you asking whu hasnt the AS ameliorated the situation? If the latter then id say i was too soon drilling, too late spraying, let the cover get too tall and the rain hasnt helped but even then its a jigsaw and i dont have the answer really

No l wasn't trying to catch you out as such, more that you said it had only cost you time and FSS and l was interested to see whether you thought you would retain benefit from AS. Not trying to pick holes in everything it's interesting what you do...

 

[shakerator]

Well i did say id report cock ups. Ive been two simoned!

Spring barley drilled 10 days ago has hardly germinated. Field is a write off. Basically sprayed stubble which was.ungrazed winter barley stubble 18 days before. After drilling it pee'd down for 3 days and this has effected germination.

Another lesson in 2 simoning! Luckily it was just recleaned farm saved seed so hasnt cost a fortune. Ill probably redrill with spring beans as field really needed a break but could just as easily redrill with barley next week in dry conditions.

Perplexing as ever...

Not even chitted?

 

[SilliamWhale]

Not even chitted?

Not even chitted. Mostly. Except in the area which i sparayed in November which was a grassy patch round the headland. Seed seem to go all mushy and floury

 

[SilliamWhale]

No l wasn't trying to catch you out as such, more that you said it had only cost you time and FSS and l was interested to see whether you thought you would retain benefit from AS. Not trying to pick holes in everything it's interesting what you do...

Yes i overlooked that. Yes it will have cost me 1t of AS as well. Maybe the sulphur may help the beans? Who knows?

I have some spare fss beans so ill use them and in a way its a blessing in disguise because this was a 3rd cereal. But im not very proud of myself!

 

[Flat 10]

Yes i overlooked that. Yes it will have cost me 1t of AS as well. Maybe the sulphur may help the beans? Who knows?

I have some spare fss beans so ill use them and in a way its a blessing in disguise because this was a 3rd cereal. But im not very proud of myself!

I have too many days when I'm not proud of myself!

 

[SilliamWhale]

I have too many days when I'm not proud of myself!

I always say I can afford to make a few mistakes each year. Ive just made this same one again! I think i need to remember to write this down and note to self is : spray a bit earlier, sow a bit later and if its going to hammer down with rain dont sow! Will take some more pics on Monday

 

[Feldspar]

Not even chitted. Mostly. Except in the area which i sparayed in November which was a grassy patch round the headland. Seed seem to go all mushy and floury

That's what a lot of our 2nd wheat did. Some of it sort of germinated, but then sat there and did nothing. Also, had rain soonish afterwards. No cover though at that point, just lots of stubble residue.

 

[SilliamWhale]

That's what a lot of our 2nd wheat did. Some of it sort of germinated, but then sat there and did nothing. Also, had rain soonish afterwards. No cover though at that point, just lots of stubble residue.

But ive never had it happen in the autumn. But i do bale. Theres a solution somewhere but not sure its a consistent one!

 

[BSH]

Will, do you think you went a little early? I find that I only really get the right conditions around the 10th April onwards although this year I have gone a little earlier. I am further south than you. Do you normally get away with drilling so early? Or do you have to go when the soil is right for fear of a wet spring in your part of the world? I dont have enough data to show whether delayed drilling has any effect on yield.