Winter Barley after Winter Wheat

[john63]

Hello all.

We're considering growing winter barley after winter wheat this year, without ploughing (using our drag instead) in an effort to save some diesel.

We are concerned that the wheat volunteers could cause problems come harvest time, as they may still be green when the barley is ready to cut.

How do people manage wheat volunteers in barley?

TIA. [emoji106]

 

[SilliamWhale]

Two choices:

Spray with glyphosate or harvest as late as possible.

Drill as late as possible as well. You will have wheat in the barley for sure - how much depends on combine

 

[DRC]

First of all you will need to create a stale seedbed with discs or something , then wait and spray it off with glyphosate . Then near harvest you will realise that there’s still wheat in your barley , so will be going through with roundup again .
I know because I have the T shirt.
Just as well to plough it first and save yourself the extra passes and hassle in my opinion .

 

[Two Tone]

Winter barley after wheat, is part of our standard rotation.
Just plough it and foget any need for the Glyphosate malarkey, either in a stale seedbed or pre harvest, altogether.
The diesel you would save by not ploughing will be way more that lost in the Glyphosate alone.
Simples, end of.

 

[David.]

Let as much wheat chit as you can, move the ground, let it green up again and burn off pre-drill; about all you can do.
Or plough after first chit and watch next flush come up from 5" down.
Either way's a bit of a pain, but never had it bad enough to worry about in the barley.

 

[Brisel]

Grow an early maturing wheat so you've got as much time as possible to chit the stubbles - this will help most grass weeds too. If you're already in a ploughing system then this will bury your wheat volunteers. Scratching the top will help the topsoil containing your wheat fall to the bottom of the furrow if you're not a purist ploughman.

I'm a direct driller & will be doing some winter barley after wheat next autumn, so I'll be doing the early harvested wheat ground with a light disc, spraying it off then getting another chit with a rake before sowing the winter barley in October. Pre harvest glyphosate might be in order in the WB crop unless I go for a winter malting variety when I'll just have to hope that the admix isn't too bad.

 

[snarling bee]

We have had no rain, so no chance of any chit.
I never seem to have a problem with vol wheat in barley. Might have a problem the other way around this year as growing 5th cereal wheat after 4th cereal barley. Can take them out with clodinafop whilst doing the wild oat control obviously, last year for that active though I am told.

 

[snarling bee]

I'm a direct driller & will be doing some winter barley after wheat next autumn, so I'll be doing the early harvested wheat ground with a light disc, spraying it off then getting another chit with a rake before sowing the winter barley in October

Does that make me a DDer as well then, if I light disc x 2 and then drill?

 

[Brisel]

Does that make me a DDer as well then, if I light disc x 2 and then drill?

Ha! DD is a very broad church & I'm surprised none of the die hard no tillers have jumped on my post yet!

What can you take out with clodinafop other than oats and the very rare susceptible blackgrass? I didn't think it actually killed barley but would beat the hell out of it if small and hit with a high dose + oil. That might be enough to allow the wheat to get ahead.

 

[spikeislander]

Doing this first time this year , not wanting to plough as I know where the bg is in the profile and it’s clean on top .
Luckily it was out early wheat and hadn’t shed any so only combine losses and I followed it with the Terrano so I’m praying for a chit as there was moisture and we did have a rain on it.
Will see next week when I press it ? Thinking of pulling a Cambridge roll over it ? Not something we do on our clay but it’s so dry it will take it.

 

[Brisel]

Rolling when dry will help, though may slow drying if it turns wet.

The Jetstream forecast is for a big high pressure keeping the South dry for this coming week, a change next weekend then quickly back to the Azores high building again after that. Less respite for the North and Scotland though. I'm focussing on preserving soil moisture for now, so everything is getting rolled down tight, though I'm on lighter land than most.

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[teslacoils]

Doing this first time this year , not wanting to plough as I know where the bg is in the profile and it’s clean on top .
Luckily it was out early wheat and hadn’t shed any so only combine losses and I followed it with the Terrano so I’m praying for a chit as there was moisture and we did have a rain on it.
Will see next week when I press it ? Thinking of pulling a Cambridge roll over it ? Not something we do on our clay but it’s so dry it will take it.

Roll it.

 

[john63]

Thanks for the replies! Will let you know how we get on. Sounds like a stale seedbed approach would be best from a volunteer wheat (and bg) control perspective.

 

[APJ]

Why not sow spring barley? That’s what we are doing where barley follows wheat, yields just as well with lot less growing costs.

 

[Try to succeed]

Why not sow spring barley? That’s what we are doing where barley follows wheat, yields just as well with lot less growing costs.

We grow winter and spring and if harvest period was same for spring I’d be growing more of that but winter fits in perfectly at start of harvest. The original justification was that you get an early osr entry but by the time you get round to drilling the early stubble has baked out!

 

[Oat]

We have had no rain, so no chance of any chit.
I never seem to have a problem with vol wheat in barley. Might have a problem the other way around this year as growing 5th cereal wheat after 4th cereal barley. Can take them out with clodinafop whilst doing the wild oat control obviously, last year for that active though I am told.

I have used MONITOR before to try and take barley volunteers out of wheat. It went on in mid Spring, and although it didn't quite kill the barley, it did produce distorted ears and no grain.

 

[bankrupt]

will be doing some winter barley after wheat next autumn,

Thought you'd given up on WB.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Monitor is surely long gone from the arsenal now?

 

[teslacoils]

Topik works too.

 

[deleted user 837354]

Topik works too.

Clodinafop being revoked though?