Winter wheat yields

Brisel

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Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
the spring barley is withstanding the drought much better than the wheat

why is this?

Lots of reasons - poor soil conditions for wheat establishment and winter root development. Good spring barley growing conditions until the water started running out. I also believe that oats are the best scavengers of soil resources, followed by barley followed by wheat. I think an early September well sown wheat will look a lot better than a mid April sown spring barley right now.
 

bankrupt

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Location
EX17/20
I also believe that oats are the best scavengers of soil resources, followed by barley followed by wheat.
Agreed, but a bit difficult to prove statistically because so often, in the past, April/May droughts have broken just in time for the wheats but rather too late for the barley and/or oats.

This time, it's different.

:D :D :D
 
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Brisel

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Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
Problem is they've had little to scavenge this year so have suffered.

I only gave my late March sown Elyann oats 115 kg/ha N in the hope of raising the specific weight. I cut the seed rate back a bit too. Hey ho. At least they had a cover crop and chopped straw to hold something in the soil over winter.
 

stroller

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Arable Farmer
Location
Somerset UK
Best thing about this upcoming harvest here is that it will lay many of the ghosts of the past.

Been beating myself up for years past, decades in fact, with the what ifs - what if we'd only had today's establishment techniques/machines/varieties/herbicides/fungicides available in 1964/76/89 etc?

Now quite obvious that none of these would have made a damn bit of difference one way or t'other - if it rains, it rains; if it don't, it don't.

In fact we were probably relatively better off in 1989 than now because we'd spent less on fertilizer, in 1976 because we'd spent less on fungicides and fertilizer, and in 1964 because we'd spent absolutely nothing on fungicides and quite a lot less on fertilizer and seeds.
I was looking through my grandfathers receipts book and we would have had a fertiliser subsidy in the 60's and 70's!
 

nick...

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Arable Farmer
Location
south norfolk
I have no way of verifying this, but heard that one farm has just finished spraying off 2000 acres of spring wheat! Too much BG, not enough wheat. Ouch.
I’ve heard similar of a farm spraying off 300 acres of spring barley as it won’t justify cutting it.plenty of stories of barley fields turning white too.not good either.some of my barley is just starting to turn aswell.
Nick...
 

Brisel

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Arable Farmer
Location
Midlands
I have no way of verifying this, but heard that one farm has just finished spraying off 2000 acres of spring wheat! Too much BG, not enough wheat. Ouch.

Wow. That's a big operation and a big hit. One that's had a new manager recently, north of you?
 

B'o'B

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Arable Farmer
Location
Rutland
Wow. That's a big operation and a big hit. One that's had a new manager recently, north of you?
Heard it from an advisor who covers a pretty large area generally to the west and north of here. I didn’t ask them who’s farm it was so it could pretty much anywhere in the midlands.
 

Daniel

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T2 this evening for Zyatt, if this got some rain in the next fortnight it should do well.

It was drilled a bit later into November and isn't rolling its flags during the day. Earlier drilled stuff is in full ear and suffering later drilled, well......
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Castlemaine

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Arable Farmer
Location
North bucks
Spoke toa friend in Romania last week, they have had drought but it juts broke and was raining lot now
Did they get the rain before flowering , skyfall here starting to flower and no rain forecast for at least a fortnight, it’s annoying to waist a 1st wheat slot on shrivelled chicken food
 

Honest john

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Location
Fenland
set price per year

If I could sell the farm for whole crop right now I would send it back this year !

Ths
I have no way of verifying this, but heard that one farm has just finished spraying off 2000 acres of spring wheat! Too much BG, not enough wheat. Ouch.

Well I am not looking forward to Harvest or trying to sort the ground out after it. Because here you would break every tool in the box without a good soaking.

I think for the first time in my 35 harvests we won’t combine every field. Or for sure there will be no row of straw to pick up.

The land is in such bad order crops are just soooo stressed.

The heavy fen is in very bad condition.
 

Clive

Staff Member
Arable Farmer
Location
Lichfield
Ths


Well I am not looking forward to Harvest or trying to sort the ground out after it. Because here you would break every tool in the box without a good soaking.

I think for the first time in my 35 harvests we won’t combine every field. Or for sure there will be no row of straw to pick up.

The land is in such bad order crops are just soooo stressed.

The heavy fen is in very bad condition.


a couple of weeks ago when i was shutting the gate and certainly not doing t2 or final 40% N I think some thought i was being stupid

nothing is going to help here other than a couple of inches or water and that doesn’t look like it’s happening any time soon
 

Honest john

Member
Location
Fenland
a couple of weeks ago when i was shutting the gate and certainly not doing t2 or final 40% N I think some thought i was being stupid

nothing is going to help here other than a couple of inches or water and that doesn’t look like it’s happening any time soon

I thought so at the time but not now.
Still you can sell the 2019 crop into 2021 now.
?
 
Heard it from an advisor who covers a pretty large area generally to the west and north of here. I didn’t ask them who’s farm it was so it could pretty much anywhere in the midlands.
Plenty of Heavy land with no crop Planted but not seen any spring planted wheat Sprayed off
i find Avadex notill and not being too early controls the bg in spring barley ,cannot get in early enough for spring wheat which also gets bad ergot
 

Honest john

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Location
Fenland
We are watering about 20ac a day but it’s not as good as a rain. And drain levels are dropping now. Watering Peas & Beet.


A lot of wheat drilled after January looks a right off.
 

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