Wire price up again

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Brexit is a wonderful thing for farmgate prices....but its soon eaten up by increases in everything else.
Turnover rises, profit stays the same If your lucky!

Trouble is if you are in a stewardship scheme you only have two years to do all the capital works!

Not sure how viable these capital work schemes will be if the cost of stakes/ wire etc keep rising as fast as they have been the last few months unless the scheme rates are also increased!
Scheme rates are fixed.

Index linked payments is what I have been suggesting for any new schemes.
 
Location
Devon
Brexit is a wonderful thing for farmgate prices....but its soon eaten up by increases in everything else.
Turnover rises, profit stays the same If your lucky!


Scheme rates are fixed.

Index linked payments is what I have been suggesting for any new schemes.

Metal/ timber price increases have very little to do with Brexit.

Timber prices are mostly rising so fast due to the green energy policy of princess nut nuts where the UK Gov want to burn as much timber as possible in power stations to reduce the reliance on coal/ gas etc.

Metal prices etc are two fold, Most UK manufacturing being sold to overseas company's and then the over reaction of governments worldwide on the C-19 issue which has severely disrupted factory's/ supply chains world wide and which 18 months worth of this will take several years to put right again!
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Metal/ timber price increases have very little to do with Brexit.

Timber prices are mostly rising so fast due to the green energy policy of princess nut nuts where the UK Gov want to burn as much timber as possible in power stations to reduce the reliance on coal/ gas etc.

Metal prices etc are two fold, Most UK manufacturing being sold to overseas company's and then the over reaction of governments worldwide on the C-19 issue which has severely disrupted factory's/ supply chains world wide and which 18 months worth of this will take several years to put right again!

Brexit has had an effect, labour, containers, uncertainty, paperwork.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
As far as wire goes, fencing is usually done through necessity not for the fun of it so it can't be put off for long

Seen quite serviceable wire being ripped out because CSS will pay for new.

Now material and labour costs are greater than payments reassessments will be made on farm
 
Location
Devon
Seen quite serviceable wire being ripped out because CSS will pay for new.

Now material and labour costs are greater than payments reassessments will be made on farm

Most people doing fencing under the CSS and using a fencing contractor to do the work are generally saying they are putting a £1 a meter to the job currently!

£1 meter does not sound much but if your doing 20/30,000 meters of fencing for example that is a lot of money that most farmers will not have to put to the job!

And that is if they can source the materials which is getting a bigger and bigger problem by the day!

If they wont increase the payment rates they should certainly give farmers 3/4 years to do the work instead of within the first two years to help farm cashflow if nothing else!
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
Most people doing fencing under the CSS and using a fencing contractor to do the work are generally saying they are putting a £1 a meter to the job currently!

£1 meter does not sound much but if your doing 20/30,000 meters of fencing for example that is a lot of money that most farmers will not have to put to the job!

And that is if they can source the materials which is getting a bigger and bigger problem by the day!

If they wont increase the payment rates they should certainly give farmers 3/4 years to do the work instead of within the first two years to help farm cashflow if nothing else!
If you have 20 or 30,000 metres of fencing to do then the farm must be pretty run down over the last 20 years!
Most are laying and casting up on which they are gaining money.
It was money in the bank doing all 3.

With CSS you can spread the work over the full 5 years of the scheme.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
The container issue has fudge all to do with Brexit.

Main issue is that the USA is holding a vast pile of empty containers in two ports on the West coast and there is no capacity to get them reloaded onto ships to get them back to Asia etc.
Wrong

 
Wrong


A change in the activity at British ports wouldn't make a dent big enough in the world supply.

This article is a lot more illustrative. The fact is the US 'imports' about a million containers a month and they don't have the dockside capacity to reload empty ones so they are all sat at Long Beach collecting dust.

 

neilo

Member
Mixed Farmer
Location
Montgomeryshire
Trouble is if you are in a stewardship scheme you only have two years to do all the capital works!

Not sure how viable these capital work schemes will be if the cost of stakes/ wire etc keep rising as fast as they have been the last few months unless the scheme rates are also increased!

On our (Welsh) Glastir Advanced scheme, if you don’t do the fencing work then you can just drop it out, as long as you don’t claim for it obviously. I scrapped most of the fencing options over the last 2 years here, as the cost of materials wasn’t even covered by the GA payment, let alone my time of doing it. Unless it was strictly needing doing anyway, the job’s off.
 

Sid

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
South Molton
A change in the activity at British ports wouldn't make a dent big enough in the world supply.

This article is a lot more illustrative.

It's an American article......self Centre as American press always is
 
It's an American article......self Centre as American press always is

You can't argue with the facts- America take in an insane number of containers each month. The pandemic meant increased demand for imported goods. Couple that with a lack of dockside staff to run the cranes and they just don't have the capacity to lift and shift the empty containers back for the return journey.
 
Location
Devon
If you have 20 or 30,000 metres of fencing to do then the farm must be pretty run down over the last 20 years!
Most are laying and casting up on which they are gaining money.
It was money in the bank doing all 3.

With CSS you can spread the work over the full 5 years of the scheme.

Plenty of farms have 20/30k of fencing to do for various reasons!

Under Mid Tier as it stands you only have two years to do ALL capital works!
 

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