Wolves

[egbert]

There are wolves - and wolves. I don't know the names, but the ordinary pack wolves are not that big, but a Timber Wolf looked as big as a shetland pony, when I saw one in a Canadian wildlife park.

I wouldn't object to the re-introduction of solitary species like lynx, in a suitable far flung place, but definitely not a pack animal like a wolf.

I live in a relatively 'far flung place', and somewhat object to your inferred message that my stock and rights are less than others.

I'm also curious as to how you're going tell kitty kay to stay in the far flung place.
recent history suggests they eat what's available, then move to town and eat the pets.

 

[egbert]

Interesting when experiences from different countries come together, the paragraph below is as I would have expected. Not the best optics for Mr Wolf massacring Valais Blacknose sheep.

"Peter Aschaber says that nature conservationists and politicians always reply to urgent emergency calls from Tyrolean farmers that there are no problems in other countries either: Italy, France, Sweden ... Germany. This saying should sound painfully familiar to German grazing cattle farmers. "

Google translate for all you not fluent in German

Wölfe in Tirol: DNA-Ergebnisse liegen vor

Die Schafe auf der Rotwandalm wurden tatsächlich von einem Wolf gerissen. Das hat jetzt die DNA bewiesen.

www.agrarheute.com

'there are no problems in other countries either: Italy, France, Sweden ... Germany' ????
horse manure.
I'm in touch with several groups sur le continent, and it sounds like there's an epidemic of wolf attacks as the stock have been shepherded up onto the mountains for summer grazing.
(It's notably worse in the 2 years since I was there)
One group in the tirol had their ewes up on the hill for about a week, and had lost 15%. the sheep were brought back down, onto what would be hay ground.
It's gut wrenching, heart breaking, and sickens me.
Protecting/releasing wolves in Western Europe is a step back from civilisation.

Listening to the apologists and wolf fans, you'd think it was easy to overcome the problems.
however.....
they jump fences easily,
(and who wants to turn the country into a prison camp?)
The guard dogs bite people, cost money to maintain, and critically, don't always work.....sometimes the wolves win.
(wolves eat dogs from the back forward, usually leaving the spine and the head)

And in the UK, we've built hundreds of years of sheep husbandry practises and culture without wolves. It would be a disaster. Never ever let it happen.

 

[flowerpot]

I live in a relatively 'far flung place', and somewhat object to your inferred message that my stock and rights are less than others.

I'm also curious as to how you're going tell kitty kay to stay in the far flung place.
recent history suggests they eat what's available, then move to town and eat the pets.

Sorry to have offended you.

Not sure that a lynx could take sheep anyway?

What do wild cats eat?

 

[Dry Rot]

I don't see much support from the re-wilders to my scheme to re-establish the English Black Rat to parts of Whitehall, their traditional habitat. I suspect some here are not giving the proposal the serious thought it deserves, After all, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. First let them get re-wilding established in their own back yard and, if that works, we may be persuaded to try a few wolves up here in the north. Any recommendations for a suitable round and calibre? And what is the best night vision?

 

[MRT]

Sorry to have offended you.

Not sure that a lynx could take sheep anyway?

What do wild cats eat?

I have seen footage of them taking fairly large deer, lighter maybe but better athletes than my old ewes

 

[MRT]

Any recommendations for a suitable round and calibre? And what is the best night vision?

Not natural. We now demand control by natural means, like another predator, maybe a large canine. Like a dog or hound but for wolves. We could call them Lupus Hounds and follow the hunt on some natural mode of transport....

 

[Dry Rot]

Not natural. We now demand control by natural means, like another predator, maybe a large canine. Like a dog or hound but for wolves. We could call them Lupus Hounds and follow the hunt on some natural mode of transport....

I wonder if they still have any borzois left in Russia? Surely, the KC wouldn't have been allowed to ruin them over there yet?

 

[CopperBeech]

@MRT Deffo game!

 

[Dry Rot]

I have seen footage of them taking fairly large deer, lighter maybe but better athletes than my old ewes

There was footage of a pack of about 20 taking on North American bison in Yellowstone on the TV recently. Not many land mammals larger than buffalo.

 

[Lili]

Sorry to have offended you.

Not sure that a lynx could take sheep anyway?

What do wild cats eat?

A LYNX which is still on the loose in the Aberystwyth area more than a week after it escaped from Borth’s Wild Animal Kingdom is believed to have killed seven sheep.

The National Sheep Association says the sheep died from a single bite to the neck and two sheep were partially eaten.

It says the attacks should serve as warning about any plans to reintroduce lynx into the wild.


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Despite a widespread search by police and zoo workers Lillith is still on the prowl.

Dyfed-Powys Police has said the lynx could become aggressive if it is cornered and is urging the public to be vigilant.

Walkers have been asked to avoid using a public footpath in the area.

See this week’s Aberystwyth edition for the full story, in shops and online tomorrow

 

[CopperBeech]

I wonder if they still have any borzois left in Russia? Surely, the KC wouldn't have been allowed to ruin them over there yet?

Absolutly useless. Seen the odd good one on a hare out there but you’d be much better with a stag hound bred coyote or a good old British bull x

 

[Ffermer Bach]

I live in a relatively 'far flung place', and somewhat object to your inferred message that my stock and rights are less than others.

I'm also curious as to how you're going tell kitty kay to stay in the far flung place.
recent history suggests they eat what's available, then move to town and eat the pets.

I shared an article from the guardian showing a female wolf moved 500 km to Denmark from Germany, so that makes a lot of far flung places quite close

 

[MRT]

There was footage of a pack of about 20 taking on North American bison in Yellowstone on the TV recently. Not many land mammals larger than buffalo.

Sorry I was refering to a single Lynx there

 

[egbert]

Sorry to have offended you.

Not sure that a lynx could take sheep anyway?

What do wild cats eat?

None taken.... i suspect (hope) you hadn't thought that through.

Lynx have a well documented recent history of decimating sheep industries in countries with far fewer sheep than the UK.
Those that have occasionally escaped here generally set to on the local population of lambs.

dunno much about wild cats

 

[egbert]

I shared an article from the guardian showing a female wolf moved 500 km to Denmark from Germany, so that makes a lot of far flung places quite close

dna analysis has suggested some are 'helped' to move around Europe, but yes, wolves are renowned for loping huge distances.

 

[egbert]

A LYNX which is still on the loose in the Aberystwyth area more than a week after it escaped from Borth’s Wild Animal Kingdom is believed to have killed seven sheep.
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The National Sheep Association says the sheep died from a single bite to the neck and two sheep were partially eaten.

It says the attacks should serve as warning about any plans to reintroduce lynx into the wild.


ADVERTISING

Despite a widespread search by police and zoo workers Lillith is still on the prowl.

Dyfed-Powys Police has said the lynx could become aggressive if it is cornered and is urging the public to be vigilant.

Walkers have been asked to avoid using a public footpath in the area.

See this week’s Aberystwyth edition for the full story, in shops and online tomorrow

I'm told a similar incident elsewhere- and local to me- saw a farmer paid off, conditional on his silence

 

[Buford T. Justice]

I don't see much support from the re-wilders to my scheme to re-establish the English Black Rat to parts of Whitehall, their traditional habitat. I suspect some here are not giving the proposal the serious thought it deserves, After all, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. First let them get re-wilding established in their own back yard and, if that works, we may be persuaded to try a few wolves up here in the north. Any recommendations for a suitable round and calibre? And what is the best night vision?

You need to agree with the rewilders on reintroducing wolves. I suggest pointing out a location inside a large urban area with a native deer population where a close eye can be kept on the wolves so they don't stray out of the area. And when they have the deer population all eaten, they can target the dogs and cats left out from their urban homes for a prowl.
I don't think they can actually see the impracticalities of fencing in large predators or the danger they pose to animals or humans until the wolves are plonked right next door to them.

It would be interesting to see the reactions to social media content showing a live deer being consumed in front of commuters on a morning, I think.

 

[som farmer]

You need to agree with the rewilders on reintroducing wolves. I suggest pointing out a location inside a large urban area with a native deer population where a close eye can be kept on the wolves so they don't stray out of the area. And when they have the deer population all eaten, they can target the dogs and cats left out from their urban homes for a prowl.
I don't think they can actually see the impracticalities of fencing in large predators or the danger they pose to animals or humans until the wolves are plonked right next door to them.

It would be interesting to see the reactions to social media content showing a live deer being consumed in front of commuters on a morning, I think.

you can do whatever you like, and fail, they are so blinkered, and determined, nothing must get in their way.
It would be true to say, beavers have spread more rapidly, than naturally.
The introduction of sea eagles, is another example, but, they don't kill lambs, they occasionally 'eat' an already dead lamb, which is perfectly true, they usually kill it, before eating it.
Carnivore re-introduction has already begun, scottish wildcats, seems a really good idea, to many, and l don't expect they will be a 'problem'. But, it's the thin edge, they started, no trouble, successful, so lynx next ?

 

[Dry Rot]

Compared to the fox, wild cats are stupid, which is probably why Scottish wild cats are in decline and the fox always survives. I wouldn't expect lynx to be any different. A wolf. on the other hand, is a super charged fox and a completely different kettle of fish.

 

[holwellcourtfarm]

Compared to the fox, wild cats are stupid, which is probably why Scottish wild cats are in decline and the fox always survives. I wouldn't expect lynx to be any different. A wolf. on the other hand, is a super charged fox and a completely different kettle of fish.

A wolf may be trouble. A pack of them would be a disaster.

No other large predator here hunts in packs.