Won't be long now to the iresposible use of liquid sunshine .

[snipe]

The way I see it if we are to keep Glyphosate then we should ALL should be looking to reduce the chances of it being picked up in our end product . That in itself takes away one point of argument of it being found in the food chain .
The less the use on naked grain crops the less chance of it being found .
I am not thick to say there are not times when it would have to be used to clear up bad grass weed problems . All I'm trying to say is to think that if you want to have a chemical in the armoury then think about its use .
Residues of glyphosate sprayed onto a naked grain (barley)14 days before harvest are a lot more likely to found on the grain than residues from the chems use on stubbles .
A few green grains from tramlines soon wither up in the store and most time the sprayer itself rolls them down . So why not just run a tractor up the tramline and save a few quid on chems .
Glyphosate is on very thin ice as it is and when its gone the new alternatives will be very costly that's for sure .
Waiting a little longer for crop to ripen off a bit more evenly isn't the end of the world .

I agree with this in one respect, if it was a choice between not applying it pre harvest or lossing it altogether I’d be happy to do that and adjust my agronomy a little. On the other hand if we volunteer stopped using glyphosate pre harvest on safety grounds would that look like the industry think there are health concerns around glyphosate which may lead to an own goal and a100%ban.

 

[teslacoils]

They are more likely to banon ideological grounds than scientific.

 

[le bon paysan]

EPA says NOT to label Glyphosate as carcinogenic

https://www.agprofessional.com/arti...JbzF4QVZMa2hFaXBaZjF4VWZYdEFXZlRsSDMwNzFjciJ9

 

[Banana Bar]

I sprayed off 100 ha of wheat to ensure we kept cutting once the OSR was cut, ironically after cutting 1000 ha of wheat this 100 ha will be the last wheat we cut!

 

[teslacoils]

Well, looks like the Germans are going to be banning it from 2023, as well as the French.

So I ask, given a blanket ban on glyphosate, CTL, kerb, most azoles, unprotected urea, just exactly how will you grow crops?

 

[traineefarmer]

Well, looks like the Germans are going to be banning it from 2023, as well as the French.

So I ask, given a blanket ban on glyphosate, CTL, kerb, most azoles, unprotected urea, just exactly how will you grow crops?

The same way that crops were grown before modern chemistry - high labour, low yields, more diesel use and soil degradation. Assuming that the ban will be across the EU and that whether we remain in or out the UK will follow suit - food prices will sky rocket putting more strain on the CAP and economy in general.

Farmers will be blamed for everything and as ever no one will speak up for us.

 

[PaulNix]

I doubt food prices for home grown grain will sky rocket, sadly the rest is about right.

 

[DaveGrohl]

Won't need to, we'll just get them at the supermarket obvs.

 

[Badshot]

Let us know how this works out for you.

Well.
Osr all cut dry.
Beans all cut dry
Linseed all cut dry, but quite a few unthrashed pods I couldn't get out of the sample, had similar last year even though I dessicated.
Of all the crops, linseed would really benefit from dessication to even the field up.

 

[Spencer]

Well, looks like the Germans are going to be banning it from 2023, as well as the French.

So I ask, given a blanket ban on glyphosate, CTL, kerb, most azoles, unprotected urea, just exactly how will you grow crops?

We won’t have to, we’ll just import them from countries that continue to use those chemicals. Sounds fair

 

[teslacoils]

Well.
Osr all cut dry.
Beans all cut dry
Linseed all cut dry, but quite a few unthrashed pods I couldn't get out of the sample, had similar last year even though I dessicated.
Of all the crops, linseed would really benefit from dessication to even the field up.

Put linseed on drying floor until real crisp. Put back through combine. Better than leaving it all on the ground.

We've cut 1800ac of cereals with no roundup this year. But have spent more on drying it with lovely diesel and gas.

 

[SilliamWhale]

Well, looks like the Germans are going to be banning it from 2023, as well as the French.

So I ask, given a blanket ban on glyphosate, CTL, kerb, most azoles, unprotected urea, just exactly how will you grow crops?

I see in the Guardian the Germans are blaming it for loss of insects. This sh!t is just so stupid.

Sure "cleaner" farming does mean less weed species for insects but that's no exclusively glyphosates issue. If they want us to grow weed crops we can do it but its quite difficult to do at £120 ton. The other thing is that if they really really want more insects then why the f**k don't we get environmental payments to put more pollen and nectar strips in whereby we can help insects even more? Everything has to be paid for somehow.

I'm so despairing of all this I really am.

 

[traineefarmer]

I doubt food prices for home grown grain will sky rocket, sadly the rest is about right.

I never said anything about farm gate prices rising.

 

[ollie989898]

Ban all the chemicals, revert to museum farming and then tariff all commodities entering the EU.


The European way. You know it makes sense.

 

[milkloss]

Ban all the chemicals, revert to museum farming and then tariff all commodities entering the EU.


The European way. You know it makes sense.

The sad part is that it actually does make sense!

 

[DrWazzock]

I am not sure some of the "generic" glyphosate even works anymore especially with the loss of tallow amine. Results here on grass leys have been very poor where once they would have been very effective. We used water acidifier and ammonium sulphate but weeds such as annual nettles, cranesbill and even now field pansies just won't die.

 

[SilliamWhale]

I am not sure some of the "generic" glyphosate even works anymore especially with the loss of tallow amine. Results here on grass leys have been very poor where once they would have been very effective. We used water acidifier and ammonium sulphate but weeds such as annual nettles, cranesbill and even now field pansies just won't die.

Use some 24d

 

[Drillman]

Curve ball thrown in for you all.

If we stopped using fungicides to keep everything green and healthy it would all die off faster and then no need for glyphosate

 

[DrWazzock]

Curve ball thrown in for you all.

If we stopped using fungicides to keep everything green and healthy it would all die off faster and then no need for glyphosate

That's right. I remember first time we had "green" straw was when we started using strobilurins on brigadier wheat. Then they started pushing glyphosate to burn it off.

I have the same reservations about using fungicide on the beet. Initially it was a yield enhancer as it kept the leaves greener longer. Now they have fungicide resistant beet leaf disease on the continent. Doesn't look such a clever idea now. Better if we hadn't got on the treadmill.