Wool What Will You Do With It?

Frank-the-Wool

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Livestock Farmer
Location
East Sussex
It is that time of the year when those of us who have sheep with wool on start to think about shearing. The value of wool has fallen and for some people the cost of shearing is once again higher than the value of the wool.

It is therefore surprising to see so many adverts for people wanting to buy your wool.
While I no longer have any interest in the BWMB I am concerned that as a sheep farmer who produces around 30 tonnes of wool a year there is a massive risk that the whole system we have for handling wool could be in the process of being dismantled by opportunists who are not what they seem.

The "Irish" company Laurence Pierce wool merchants have recruited many more people around the country to collect/buy wool. A large number of these "buyers" are shearing contractors. These shearers were probably trained by Shearing Courses run by and subsidised by the BWMB.

People should also be acutely aware that Laurence Pierce is no longer an Irish company and is now owned by Curtis Wools of Bradford, although Vincent Pierce is still a director, the others, Daniel Isbecque and Timothy Holgate are the joint MD's of Haworth Scouring in Bradford. Haworth is owned by the Norwegians.

Now Curtis Wool Direct are the largest buyers at the BWMB auctions, but they are trying to buy much more wool direct from farms in order to reduce their need to buy wool in the early season Auctions. By doing this they can possibly depress the auction price and reduce the throughput of the BWMB which could quickly have a detrimental effect on the auction system and the efficiency of the BWMB.

Pierce and the other Irish buyers have always made much play of the fact that they pay the full price on the day. Whereas the BWMB belongs to the farmers and is effectively a cooperative and pays the full value when the wool is sold at Auction having been graded first to achieve maximum value to the farmer.

However in their advert they refer to 2003, for the majority of wool producers selling through the Board has been a better price than selling to the Irish. The present system is completely transparent as the BWMB publishes a price schedule every year, it supplies containers to put the wool in and arranges transport if necessary.
Unless farmers continue to support the BWMB then the inevitable will happen and the value of wool will continue to fall further and a small number of people in Bradford and Norway will make all the money from your wool. I doubt they will train any Shearers either.
 

irish dom

Member
Them irish buyers give sweet f**k all for wool here in ireland. They claim there is no market for it here yet they take the uk by storm every summer. Of course goodman does the same with beef. Keep your board going for your own sake. We should set one up here. Prices quoted are an insult at the minute. Heard 90 cent last night for good lowland wool. Hope it wass a pee take
 

Tim W

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Wiltshire
Them irish buyers give sweet fudge all for wool here in ireland. They claim there is no market for it here yet they take the uk by storm every summer. Of course goodman does the same with beef. Keep your board going for your own sake. We should set one up here. Prices quoted are an insult at the minute. Heard 90 cent last night for good lowland wool. Hope it wass a pee take

90c =75p ---last wool sale quoted by BWMB was £1.16/kg average http://www.britishwool.org.uk/
 

irish dom

Member
Clipped a dozen big fat suffolk rams yesterday for a mate. Looks like they wont leave the shed for a month. Brass monkeys here tonight
 
Not on topic but my
Ah, grim up north though...!! ;)

Grim in Wales, too. Boiling hot days with cold winds on my side of the mountain followed by frosts over night. Ewes are panting in the shelter and lamb are dehydrating and getting cold in the middle of the field. Frost make sit easy to see the ewes that are pacing or who have snuck off to hide in the blackthorn wildlife corridors though but a bit of a shock for the newbies.
 

exmoor dave

Member
Location
exmoor, uk
It is that time of the year when those of us who have sheep with wool on start to think about shearing. The value of wool has fallen and for some people the cost of shearing is once again higher than the value of the wool.

It is therefore surprising to see so many adverts for people wanting to buy your wool.
While I no longer have any interest in the BWMB I am concerned that as a sheep farmer who produces around 30 tonnes of wool a year there is a massive risk that the whole system we have for handling wool could be in the process of being dismantled by opportunists who are not what they seem.

The "Irish" company Laurence Pierce wool merchants have recruited many more people around the country to collect/buy wool. A large number of these "buyers" are shearing contractors. These shearers were probably trained by Shearing Courses run by and subsidised by the BWMB.

People should also be acutely aware that Laurence Pierce is no longer an Irish company and is now owned by Curtis Wools of Bradford, although Vincent Pierce is still a director, the others, Daniel Isbecque and Timothy Holgate are the joint MD's of Haworth Scouring in Bradford. Haworth is owned by the Norwegians.

Now Curtis Wool Direct are the largest buyers at the BWMB auctions, but they are trying to buy much more wool direct from farms in order to reduce their need to buy wool in the early season Auctions. By doing this they can possibly depress the auction price and reduce the throughput of the BWMB which could quickly have a detrimental effect on the auction system and the efficiency of the BWMB.

Pierce and the other Irish buyers have always made much play of the fact that they pay the full price on the day. Whereas the BWMB belongs to the farmers and is effectively a cooperative and pays the full value when the wool is sold at Auction having been graded first to achieve maximum value to the farmer.

However in their advert they refer to 2003, for the majority of wool producers selling through the Board has been a better price than selling to the Irish. The present system is completely transparent as the BWMB publishes a price schedule every year, it supplies containers to put the wool in and arranges transport if necessary.
Unless farmers continue to support the BWMB then the inevitable will happen and the value of wool will continue to fall further and a small number of people in Bradford and Norway will make all the money from your wool. I doubt they will train any Shearers either.


Good post Frank

I really do wish folk could just see the simple fact that if we *all* put our wool through the board, it would force all the buyers including the "Irish" in to the auction which can only be a good thing for the wool price for everyone.

The BWMB is one of the few successful co-ops in our industry and it's so often treated with distain.

It's particularly amusing when the same folk moaning about the BWMB.....then moan about folk selling dead weight undermining sale rings :facepalm:
 

Pan mixer

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Mixed Farmer
Location
Near Colchester
Wool shedding sheep are the future. Well someone had to say it. :)
Yes, we have some interesting litter round the farm too.

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yellowbelly

Member
Livestock Farmer
Location
N.Lincs
Whilst in the past, I have been critical of the way the BWMB have performed (warehouses in Bradford full of years' worths of unsold wool etc,etc) in the last 10 years or so (probably in no small part due to @Frank-the-Wool's efforts) they have really streamlined their operations and are a much more efficient outfit.
Realistically, it is us, the producers, who have 'paid' for this and I feel we would be doing ourselves an injustice not to keep supporting the board. Having had a trip round the Bradford set up ,with our breed society, a couple of years ago and seen the grading facilities and the auction department it is obvious that they are doing their upmost to market our wool.
We managed to arrange a visit for the North American Lincoln Longwool Association when they were here last year. They were 'blown away' by the way the BWMB operated - they have nothing like it in the USA. We probably don't know how lucky we are.
As regards the deferred payment situation, once you are in the system, assuming your flock size remains fairly constant, you get paid for a year's worth of wool every year so I don't see it as a problem.
Keep supporting the Wool Board.
 

Man_in_black

Member
Livestock Farmer
Not on topic but my


Grim in Wales, too. Boiling hot days with cold winds on my side of the mountain followed by frosts over night. Ewes are panting in the shelter and lamb are dehydrating and getting cold in the middle of the field. Frost make sit easy to see the ewes that are pacing or who have snuck off to hide in the blackthorn wildlife corridors though but a bit of a shock for the newbies.

:eek::eek::eek:
It's never grim in Cymru...challenging, bracing.....fresh! But never grim!
 

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