Wool...what will you do with yours...

[Nithsdale]

Dont know what i will get this year but the prices i quoted are what i got last year and speaking to alan walsh on the phone today he says he will be paying more this year but will wait and see.

Sorry, I wasn't suggesting you didn't get those prices. What I meant was nobody else has been close to those prices on this thread from any source.

 

[tepapa]

Sorry, I wasn't suggesting you didn't get those prices. What I meant was nobody else has been close to those prices on this thread from any source.

Lad I shear for has had 40p/kg off Olann wools for mule wool. Could have 20p on the day or wait till this year for 40p, he waited.
Laurence pierce only offered 20p/kg, I say only but it's still more then the WB, and only for good wool.

 

[Nithsdale]

Lad I shear for has had 40p/kg off Olann wools for mule wool. Could have 20p on the day or wait till this year for 40p, he waited.
Laurence pierce only offered 20p/kg, I say only but it's still more then the WB, and only for good wool.

It's still not the 60pkg above though

Just shows these companies could pay up if they wanted/needed to... but they don't

We will be totally buggered when they're the only ones calling the shots

 

[Farmer_Joe]

you have only just converted me to bwmb,

to be fair they do weight it in front of you and seemed suspiciously higher than bradford hide year before...considering i had less sheep this year too...

 

[tepapa]

It's still not the 60pkg above though

Just shows these companies could pay up if they wanted/needed to... but they don't

We will be totally buggered when they're the only ones calling the shots

Why do they need to pay 60p above when the WB are paying an average of 15p ?

 

[Nithsdale]

Why do they need to pay 60p above when the WB are paying an average of 15p ?

But it appears they have paid 60pkg.

I didn't say that they need to (although, if they wanted to kill off the WB in 1 move I think that would pretty much do it! So why don't they?)..

I said they have proved that they can pay more if they need/wanted to (I can see the confusion - read it more like if they had to pay higher prices through other competition etc, or if they simply chose to), but won't

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

But it appears they have paid 60pkg.

I didn't say that they need to (although, if they wanted to kill off the WB in 1 move I think that would pretty much do it! So why don't they?)..

I said they have proved that they can pay more if they need/wanted to (I can see the confusion - read it more like if they had to pay higher prices through other competition etc, or if they simply chose to), but won't

The private buyers need to make the most profit for themselves for the least amount of work.
BW is working for the producer as it returns the auction value of the wool back to the farmer.
The problem the BW has had over the last 18 months is that large quantities of wool had no value (you try and get a price from the private buyers for Welsh or Swaledale?) but it has the infrastructure to handle 30 million kgs and many of the costs.

If the BW disappears then a significant amount of the infrastructure is still required and more importantly you need wool graders if you are ever going to increase the value of the wool.

There have been a number of incidents where some of the private buyers scales have been on the light side and also some who collected wool last year and failed to pay anything for it. All BW scales are officially checked every year. They have no reason to weigh light.

If you no longer grade wool then you will only get paid for the lowest value fleeces. How many farmers know what is the best or the worst?
If the private buyers committed to taking all the wool in the country then they would need the same infrastructure as BW. The answer to that is they will only cherry pick and take what they want at the lowest price they can get away with as no one will know what it is worth as there will be no Auction system to bench mark the price.

The more wool that BW handles the lower the costs, while for farmers shearing is a seasonal job the grading, packing and selling of wool for BW has to be a 12 month operation to retain the skilled staff. The private buyers are subsidised by the scouring plantsand so can dip in and out when they feel like it.
It is rather ironic that they like to get "cheap" wool off farms, but actually need BW to supply them with the large quantities of graded wool for the scouring plants to work efficiently.

 

[livestock 1]

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The private buyers need to make the most profit for themselves for the least amount of work.
BW is working for the producer as it returns the auction value of the wool back to the farmer.
The problem the BW has had over the last 18 months is that large quantities of wool had no value (you try and get a price from the private buyers for Welsh or Swaledale?) but it has the infrastructure to handle 30 million kgs and many of the costs.

If the BW disappears then a significant amount of the infrastructure is still required and more importantly you need wool graders if you are ever going to increase the value of the wool.

There have been a number of incidents where some of the private buyers scales have been on the light side and also some who collected wool last year and failed to pay anything for it. All BW scales are officially checked every year. They have no reason to weigh light.

If you no longer grade wool then you will only get paid for the lowest value fleeces. How many farmers know what is the best or the worst?
If the private buyers committed to taking all the wool in the country then they would need the same infrastructure as BW. The answer to that is they will only cherry pick and take what they want at the lowest price they can get away with as no one will know what it is worth as there will be no Auction system to bench mark the price.

The more wool that BW handles the lower the costs, while for farmers shearing is a seasonal job the grading, packing and selling of wool for BW has to be a 12 month operation to retain the skilled staff. The private buyers are subsidised by the scouring plantsand so can dip in and out when they feel like it.
It is rather ironic that they like to get "cheap" wool off farms, but actually need BW to supply them with the large quantities of graded wool for the scouring plants to work efficiently.

This sounds good but wool sent to wool board has returned nothing worthwhile for ten years or so.
You quote swaledale wool and welch as being with little money to start with which may be a fair comment but my mule and Texel wool also comes to nothing worthwhile sent to wool board neither does everyone else’s wool I know as neighbours friends ect.
I think if I remember right I sent 98 sheets in 2019 and received just under £800 which isn’t really worth anything once you take off the haulage £250 then the handling
Same applies for everyone else I know
What’s vitally important to consider is that what wb quotes you and what you actually get is two different things.
Their quote might sound good but they certainly don’t pay what they say. Maybe some might say my wool isn’t that good but neither is anyone else’s strangely enough
40p to the Irish sounds a lot better than the 20 odd p to me
That makes the difference between something being worthwhile and not worthwhile

 

[Tim W]

64 pages of folk arguing about how to get rid of a worthless product they don't have to produce

And we wonder why farmers say they don't make money

 

[hally]

64 pages of folk arguing about how to get rid of a worthless product they don't have to produce

And we wonder why farmers say they don't make money

Your right of course. However some of us regard wool as the penance we pay to avoid looking at these things all day

 

[Northeastfarmer]

Your right of course. However some of us regard wool as the penance we pay to avoid looking at these things all dayView attachment 972901

What have goats got to do with this thread

 

[Frank-the-Wool]

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This sounds good but wool sent to wool board has returned nothing worthwhile for ten years or so.
You quote swaledale wool and welch as being with little money to start with which may be a fair comment but my mule and Texel wool also comes to nothing worthwhile sent to wool board neither does everyone else’s wool I know as neighbours friends ect.
I think if I remember right I sent 98 sheets in 2019 and received just under £800 which isn’t really worth anything once you take off the haulage £250 then the handling
Same applies for everyone else I know
What’s vitally important to consider is that what wb quotes you and what you actually get is two different things.
Their quote might sound good but they certainly don’t pay what they say. Maybe some might say my wool isn’t that good but neither is anyone else’s strangely enough
40p to the Irish sounds a lot better than the 20 odd p to me
That makes the difference between something being worthwhile and not worthwhile

The WB does not quote any price in advance, it only publishes prices for the previous years clip based on actual Auction prices. This is priced by individual grade.
There have only been a small number of years when the "Irish" have paid more and this has been due to situations like the present where the value of wool has changed by over 50% in a short time. You say you only received £800 for your 2019 clip but I would suggest that as you had around 10 tons of wool that year this was the advanced payment and not the balance unless it was wet or of very poor quality. Even Welsh made more than that!!

The "Irish" are not all they seem. DB wools is owned by Standard Wools that has the scouring plant in Dewsbury. They can pay more than the others as they are at least supplying direct to a customer. The others are just trying to get good wool at significantly below the Auction price.

I am sure there are some Irish farmers that will tell you how little they get for their wool.

The point is that if the WB disappeared there will be less customers for wool and not more.

 

[DanM]

Your right of course. However some of us regard wool as the penance we pay to avoid looking at these things all dayView attachment 972901

The reality is that you can breed wool off any sheep, without resorting to the “goats” of old!

 

[Sheepfog]

It seems to me the biggest problem for the Wool Board is the cost of the service they provide is too high (around 40 p/Kg) in relation to the value of the product. That can’t be sustainable even if wool gets to the dizzy height of £1-2/Kg. The solution has to be to reduce their costs. How they do that I don’t know.

 

[Northeastfarmer]

The solution has to be to reduce their costs. How they do that I don’t know.

Cut the wage bill

 

[hally]

View attachment 972914View attachment 972915
The reality is that you can breed wool off any sheep, without resorting to the “goats” of old!

Yeah I know that…..but I couldn’t resist. If you can’t have a laugh about the wool price it’s a bad job

 

[neilo]

Your right of course. However some of us regard wool as the penance we pay to avoid looking at these things all dayView attachment 972901

To be fair, the Exlanas here are difficult to tell from the freshly shorn Highlanders, or most other 65-70kg white faced grazing sheep.

If we could just improve their temperament and maternal abilities to match, I’d be happy enough with them.

 

[tepapa]

64 pages of folk arguing about how to get rid of a worthless product they don't have to produce

And we wonder why farmers say they don't make money

Hey steady on there, some of us get paid to take It off, it's not worthless to me.

 

[Tim W]

If we could just improve their temperament and maternal abilities to match, I’d be happy enough with them.

Your experience still confuses me ?
We've had no other complaints on this ---in fact quite the opposite
And a farmer very close to you ordered another 100 yearlings recently and remarked how good his experience has been

 

[yellowbelly]

Your experience still confuses me ?
We've had no other complaints on this ---in fact quite the opposite
And a farmer very close to you ordered another 100 yearlings recently and remarked how good his experience has been

Maybe they just look at the Charolais lambs they've just spit out and say, "Urrgh, WTF is that?"




How many have you got @neilo?
Do you want somebody to take them off your hands?