I was talking yesterday to a friend whose daughter in law drove an electric Jag from Suffolk to South Wales for a funeral. She fouled up the charging procedure at the other end and returned home in short hops on 30 minute charging doses. The journey took 19 hours. A case of unfamiliarity combined with poor infrastructure I am afraid. What will be the additional drain on the grid if everyone goes electric in fifteen years time and will they be able to cope? One significant electricity generating facility is powered by wood pellets, much of this being sourced from the Amazon rain forests. What is the cost to the environment when taking into account transport and deforestation? I am reliably informed that this is happening from a friend who makes the pelleting machinery.
Work 'under way' into Scotland-Northern Ireland bridge feasibility
- Thread starter nivilla1982
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- Location
- Lincolnshire.
Give it another ten years and they will have figured out that mining the minerals for all those batteries and disposing of used batteries is harming the environment more than exhaust emissions.
- Location
- Limousin
IMO the bridge is just a "dead cat". Apart from the obvious engineering difficulties of a 26 mile bridge with the tallest towers ever constructed straddling a 1.5 million ton bomb dump with extreme Atlantic weather closing it frequently, just for a population of 1.8 million? Wouldn't just building an extra ferry or two, that could be in operation within 2 or 3 years and cost say 120 million each be a more logical option? They could even call it "Boris McBoatface" as one of his many vanity projects. 
With what?
- Location
- Lincolnshire.
The same stuff Johnson is going to use, debt.
M-J-G
Member
Since you said when and as opposed to if, does that mean that you think that a "New Ireland" is going to happen?
- Location
- Lincolnshire.
Well it’s up to the people of Ireland. One thing is for sure the English government is unlikely to address the issues Sinn Féin are using to gain popularity both north and south of the border. Over here public services are being eroded by austerity which continues to bite. Johnson’s pledge to balance the books in three years means that is unlikely to change. Infrastructure projects are expensive but the bills for the northern part of hs2 and any imaginary bridge are more than a parliament away. Everything else is in need of funds immediately, his MPs will grumble about HS2 but they won’t tolerate any mansion tax or limiting tax reliefs to basic rate tax.
M-J-G
Member
Since the DUP are prepared to share power with them I'd guess Boris won't be interested in getting too involved in what the Shinners are doing in the North.
As for the South, it isn't of Boris's concern, particularly since GB is further removed from ROI than it's been in almost 50 years.
Of course, wealth is now reclassified as least debt. Another theory of relativity I suppose.
Danllan
Member
- Location
- Sir Gar / Carms
Sorry, and all respect to Lincolnshire, but when I read that I laughed so hard I almost puked... I don't know what the county-equivalent of parochialism is, but that has to take the prize for it
I have always advocated many and close trade-links, the Channel Tunnel got and a second + a bridge will get my vote if they are ever mooted. I don't see any contradiction in my having this interest in furthering economic interests while wanting to avoid political integration. I've written before, had the EEC remained just that, a trading bloc, it would have been fine with me. But it took some sovereignty and wanted to keep taking more, the rest is history.
Agreed that the extra ferries are a good idea and a fairly quick fix - did you notice my mention of a public subsidy for them? However, the bridge, if it can be done, would be much more than just a 'bridge' in the transport sense, it would be a physical embodiment of the link between one part of the Union and the rest of it. Of course, you'll call it a waste and rubbish NI's position in the union etc. etc. but that's just you. I'm all for it if it can be done.IMO the bridge is just a "dead cat". Apart from the obvious engineering difficulties of a 26 mile bridge with the tallest towers ever constructed straddling a 1.5 million ton bomb dump with extreme Atlantic weather closing it frequently, just for a population of 1.8 million? Wouldn't just building an extra ferry or two, that could be in operation within 2 or 3 years and cost say 120 million each be a more logical option? They could even call it "Boris McBoatface" as one of his many vanity projects.
Hindsight
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- Location
- Lincolnshire
Sorry, and all respect to Lincolnshire, but when I read that I laughed so hard I almost puked... I don't know what the county-equivalent of parochialism is, but that has to take the prize for it
. The reference to Lincolnshire was meant metaphorically to refer to roads in general, no specifically Lincolnshire. But I reckon you probably knew that!? I have rattled across many a pot hole today. There is plenty of useful infrastructure could be repaired and maintained before a large spend bridge.
As I said we beg to disagree. There is little more to say.
Puke away, be careful not to choke on it. Best wishes.
. The reference to Lincolnshire was meant metaphorically to refer to roads in general, no specifically Lincolnshire. But I reckon you probably knew that!? I have rattled across many a pot hole today. There is plenty of useful infrastructure could be repaired and maintained before a large spend bridge.
As I said we beg to disagree. There is little more to say.
Puke away, be careful not to choke on it. Best wishes.
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miniconnect
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- Location
- Argyll
One of the craziest ideas. Let's build a really expensive bridge from northern Ireland to somewhere where the first at least 10 miles aren't much better than single track road then the next 130 miles are only slightly better again.....
And extra boat of two would do if there even is demand for that, but for goodness sake don't let calmac or Scottish government run them!
And extra boat of two would do if there even is demand for that, but for goodness sake don't let calmac or Scottish government run them!
Scribus
Member
- Location
- Central Atlantic
With the UK drifting to the right and Ireland to the left probably best to make it of rubber.
- Location
- Limousin
Fair enough, but do it though something like a public share subscription, then those who wish to invest can reap the rewards, or be liable for the losses.
Danllan
Member
- Location
- Sir Gar / Carms
Come off it, that's the old fall-back for those who don't like the idea of something. But it falls down very quickly because the same could be said about any number of projects of other publicly funded things.
Some people don't like the armed forces, some think that privately funded medicine or education should be the norm, others think roads should be on a pay-for-use basis, and there are many more, some or all of which you like being publicly funded but which others don't, the EU comes to mind there.
And so we fall back on our parliamentary democracy, elected representatives having the power to make these decisions, for the country as a whole, on a majority basis. And that is something you were ever so keen on just a few months ago, when you thought it might mean going against the majority's choice of Brexit.
- Location
- Lincolnshire.
I am not sure why Danallan is so contemptuous of local concerns. It was those concerns that propelled his party to victory. As a resident of Lincolnshire I'm well used to people like May and Johnson turning up in places like Grimsby and Boston to deliver their smirking lip service to the locals only to disappear back to Westminster to get on with the real business of government. Meanwhile back in the middle nowhere roads crumble, hospitals fail, GPs hide and schools yoyo in and out of special measures. One has to give a new government the benefit of the doubt, but the signs for our area really aren't that great!Sorry, and all respect to Lincolnshire, but when I read that I laughed so hard I almost puked... I don't know what the county-equivalent of parochialism is, but that has to take the prize for it
. The reference to Lincolnshire was meant metaphorically to refer to roads in general, no specifically Lincolnshire. But I reckon you probably knew that!? I have rattled across many a pot hole today. There is plenty of useful infrastructure could be repaired and maintained before a large spend bridge.
As I said we beg to disagree. There is little more to say.
Puke away, be careful not to choke on it. Best wishes.
Sorry, and all respect to Lincolnshire, but when I read that I laughed so hard I almost puked... I don't know what the county-equivalent of parochialism is, but that has to take the prize for it
I have always advocated many and close trade-links, the Channel Tunnel got and a second + a bridge will get my vote if they are ever mooted. I don't see any contradiction in my having this interest in furthering economic interests while wanting to avoid political integration. I've written before, had the EEC remained just that, a trading bloc, it would have been fine with me. But it took some sovereignty and wanted to keep taking more, the rest is history.
Agreed that the extra ferries are a good idea and a fairly quick fix - did you notice my mention of a public subsidy for them? However, the bridge, if it can be done, would be much more than just a 'bridge' in the transport sense, it would be a physical embodiment of the link between one part of the Union and the rest of it. Of course, you'll call it a waste and rubbish NI's position in the union etc. etc. but that's just you. I'm all for it if it can be done.
A parting gift from England to the dynamic countries of Scotland and NI as they leave the Union for their new romantic adventure with the EU!
- Location
- Lincolnshire.
I think you'l find the Welsh will make their contribution too . That's only fair right?
Of course, and it's very unfair that a Fishguard to Rosslare bridge hasn't been mentioned.