Work 'under way' into Scotland-Northern Ireland bridge feasibility

Muck Spreader

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Come off it, that's the old fall-back for those who don't like the idea of something. But it falls down very quickly because the same could be said about any number of projects of other publicly funded things.

Some people don't like the armed forces, some think that privately funded medicine or education should be the norm, others think roads should be on a pay-for-use basis, and there are many more, some or all of which you like being publicly funded but which others don't, the EU comes to mind there.

And so we fall back on our parliamentary democracy, elected representatives having the power to make these decisions, for the country as a whole, on a majority basis. And that is something you were ever so keen on just a few months ago, when you thought it might mean going against the majority's choice of Brexit. (y):)

So you think the Channel tunnel should have been funded by the tax payer? Are you bit of a closet socialist by chance. :eek:
 

Danllan

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Of course, and it's very unfair that a Fishguard to Rosslare bridge hasn't been mentioned.
An implicit call for the ROI to re-join the UK?

So you think the Channel tunnel should have been funded by the tax payer? Are you bit of a closet socialist by chance. :eek:
Not in the classical sense, but I do now advocate and always have advocated the country and its wealth working for the country as a whole; not bits of it such as London, Cardiff, Manchester, Glasgow or Belfast, but all of it. Call that socialism if you want, I'm more interested in the result than the name. (y)

The logical conclusion of divide and rule IMO.
Except when it's the EU's policy... :unsure:
 

Muck Spreader

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Not in the classical sense, but I do now advocate and always have advocated the country and its wealth working for the country as a whole; not bits of it such as London, Cardiff, Manchester, Glasgow or Belfast, but all of it. Call that socialism if you want, I'm more interested in the result than the name. (y)

But this bridge is only for the benefit of a small part of the UK, that's the problem. Why should a taxpayer in Cornwall for example, be expected to fund this bridge (and HS2 for that matter) though reduced services in their area?
 

fudge

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An implicit call for the ROI to re-join the UK?


Not in the classical sense, but I do now advocate and always have advocated the country and its wealth working for the country as a whole; not bits of it such as London, Cardiff, Manchester, Glasgow or Belfast, but all of it. Call that socialism if you want, I'm more interested in the result than the name. (y)


Except when it's the EU's policy... :unsure:
The Tory party’s attitude to Europe is incredibly divisive. In this area they peddle the lie that immigration was to blame for people’s low wages. That’s to say they falsely blamed other people for our own problems. Something Johnson’s glib journalist double speak is well suited to doing.
 
But this bridge is only for the benefit of a small part of the UK, that's the problem. Why should a taxpayer in Cornwall for example, be expected to fund this bridge (and HS2 for that matter) though reduced services in their area?

But you are an EU-rophile and have written the above despite the fact the UK has been pouring billions into the EU for decades???? Come along and smack that pony again so we can all hear it neigh?
 

arcobob

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But this bridge is only for the benefit of a small part of the UK, that's the problem. Why should a taxpayer in Cornwall for example, be expected to fund this bridge (and HS2 for that matter) though reduced services in their area?
Why did the UK taxpayers fund practically all of the motorways, the Thames barrier and countless other projects? Norfolk is nowhere close to a motorway and coastal flooding is a real danger which successive governments have chosen to ignore. I have no problem with supporting spending on national infrastructure provided it has universal benefits and not a political stunt like the wonderful bridge.. A Wash barrier would provide enormous benefits in providing a natural reservoir, flood protection and a link to Lincolnshire and the north. This idea has been mooted several times and has most recently appeared as an April fools stunt.
 
Why did the UK taxpayers fund practically all of the motorways, the Thames barrier and countless other projects? Norfolk is nowhere close to a motorway and coastal flooding is a real danger which successive governments have chosen to ignore. I have no problem with supporting spending on national infrastructure provided it has universal benefits and not a political stunt like the wonderful bridge.. A Wash barrier would provide enormous benefits in providing a natural reservoir, flood protection and a link to Lincolnshire and the north. This idea has been mooted several times and has most recently appeared as an April fools stunt.

It is not a political stunt- places like Denmark have built bridges to link their islands etc and it provides genuine economic benefit to the country as they are built and maintained.

Yes, there should be a barrier for the Wash, and it should incorporate tidal power stations, same as the Severn barrage. A transport link could be incorporated also if needs be.

If you ask me the UK has slipped into an era of political ineptitude and public fecklessness. We need to get back into the mindset of post-war Britain. Tax the fudge out of big business and get national infrastructure spending underway. Think big, attract the investors and get our school leavers into a wide range of established and new technologies. Virtually every 'grown-up' I talk to reports a complete lack of new blood entering their professions. We need to drastically realign the output out higher and further education to meet the needs of our economy today and tomorrow. It is this kind of issue that threatens the long term prosperity of the UK far more than it's relationship with the EU.
 

arcobob

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It is not a political stunt- places like Denmark have built bridges to link their islands etc and it provides genuine economic benefit to the country as they are built and maintained.

Yes, there should be a barrier for the Wash, and it should incorporate tidal power stations, same as the Severn barrage. A transport link could be incorporated also if needs be.

If you ask me the UK has slipped into an era of political ineptitude and public fecklessness. We need to get back into the mindset of post-war Britain. Tax the fudge out of big business and get national infrastructure spending underway. Think big, attract the investors and get our school leavers into a wide range of established and new technologies. Virtually every 'grown-up' I talk to reports a complete lack of new blood entering their professions. We need to drastically realign the output out higher and further education to meet the needs of our economy today and tomorrow. It is this kind of issue that threatens the long term prosperity of the UK far more than it's relationship with the EU.
I agree with everything you say but in the case of this particular Bridge I am afraid it is a political stunt in my opinion. One of the main objectors to the wash barrage were the nature and wildlife lobby, the very people who are now bleating about depletion of river flow because deep bores have emptied the aquifers to provide water for urban Essex. We must either face the pressures of an increasing population and take steps to cater for it or take very strong measures to restrict mass immigration. This is not about racism but reality.
 

Danllan

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But this bridge is only for the benefit of a small part of the UK, that's the problem. Why should a taxpayer in Cornwall for example, be expected to fund this bridge (and HS2 for that matter) though reduced services in their area?
What a f^cking stupid question... it's for the same reason that London funds Bridgend, or Paris funds Quimper. The sad thing is that if you don't know this already, you probably can't understand why. :woot:

The Tory party’s attitude to Europe is incredibly divisive. In this area they peddle the lie that immigration was to blame for people’s low wages. That’s to say they falsely blamed other people for our own problems. Something Johnson’s glib journalist double speak is well suited to doing.
That'll be part of the same string of lies that includes the Left telling us that immigration is all good and doesn't affect wages at all, won't it? :unsure:

Economics old son. Spending a few quid on a Polish roundabout is a good investment for unrestricted access to the world's biggest free market area.
But it wasn't a 'few quid', it's been half a trillion quid to the EU... :(
 

Muck Spreader

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What a f^cking stupid question... it's for the same reason that London funds Bridgend, or Paris funds Quimper. The sad thing is that if you don't know this already, you probably can't understand why. :woot:

Temper, temper. I am just pointing out that you seem to be trying to justify spending vast amounts of our money on a vanity project that may not have any or limited economic benefit to the people of Northern Ireland. In the end it doesn't really matter as it won't be built just like his Garden and Channel bridges.
 

fudge

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What a f^cking stupid question... it's for the same reason that London funds Bridgend, or Paris funds Quimper. The sad thing is that if you don't know this already, you probably can't understand why. :woot:


That'll be part of the same string of lies that includes the Left telling us that immigration is all good and doesn't affect wages at all, won't it? :unsure:


But it wasn't a 'few quid', it's been half a trillion quid to the EU... :(
According to Johnson immigration is a good thing too! He’s looking for skilled workers from abroad! In Johnson’s world something can be good or bad depending on which audience you are talking to.
 

Danllan

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Temper, temper. I am just pointing out that you seem to be trying to justify spending vast amounts of our money on a vanity project that may not have any or limited economic benefit to the people of Northern Ireland. In the end it doesn't really matter as it won't be built just like his Garden and Channel bridges.
Not annoyed, amused. (y) Are you a British tax-payer? I don't need to justify spending money on strengthening links across the Union, it's worth is self-evident, unless you're a wannabe Frenchman who's sulking like hell because of Brexit, and always will be.... :ROFLMAO:

According to Johnson immigration is a good thing too! He’s looking for skilled workers from abroad! In Johnson’s world something can be good or bad depending on which audience you are talking to.
I heard Boris being interviewed about immigration last year and he stated - several times - that immigration can be good, provided we choose who the immigrants are. That's what most people think too, it's common sense and you know it; but, being a whinging lefty, you just don't like it. :)
 

The Agrarian

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We haven't heard from very many NI people, or Scots or northern englanders who have family and/or do business in Northern Ireland. But I'll chip in. I'd be delighted with a bridge. I'd probably make a lot more trips to the mainland if I could drive straight across. I'd obviously spend money when I'm there too, benefiting the rest of you. I've been over that really long bridge in Denmark and seen that these things can be done.

A very appealing idea to be hardwired to GB as well. Despite all the rhetoric over uniting the two poles of Ireland, there's not much for us down south. Our gaze always has and always will lie Eastward to Bonnie Scotland and England's pleasant pastures. Oh I think I'm about to break out into 'Jerusalem'... ♥️
 

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