Workers at Canada’s Largest Dairy Farm Jailed for Animal Cruelty

Yeah, it does look like it needs a bit of work to improve cow flow, doesn't it.

Some of the images there are disturbing, tbh. The lifting of cows by the head is never ideal and is usually the absolute last option. Looking at it again today, surely a hip lifter would be a much easier and humane way of lifting a cow out of a compromised position. I have occasion to use one when a cow gets stuck in a cubicle and it's a much simpler option and less stressful for man and beast.

I wonder how much training and/or supervision those guys had. As someone posted earlier, it is most likely clips taken over a long period of time but being portrayed as an everyday occurrence but someone in a position of authority surely had to have known what was occurring there?

You say that about hip lifters but they were being condemned over here last year on the back of an edited video.
 
You say that about hip lifters but they were being condemned over here last year on the back of an edited video.
Condemned on account of what? In NZ?

I don't like using them but I find them very useful for lifting cows and they aren't left in them for more that a minute or two to get them out into a field.

And what do they recommend instead?
 

Clay52

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Yeah I was referring to animal rights types. I forgot about all the high and mighty comments about it here. Just shows as an industry we are bloody useless with this stuff. The animal rights people are going to have a field day with us.

The industry as a whole needs to get its head out of its arse and understand what the animals rights agenda is about.

These videos are shot and conveniently edited not to stop cruelty but to be posted on YouTube to turn public opinion against all forms of animal agricultural.

The conviction rate is shockingly low off the back of these videos and in American officials won't even entertain investigating them until they get full disclosure of all unedited recordings
 

Kiwi Pete

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The industry as a whole needs to get its head out of its arse and understand what the animals rights agenda is about.

These videos are shot and conveniently edited not to stop cruelty but to be posted on YouTube to turn public opinion against all forms of animal agricultural.

The conviction rate is shockingly low off the back of these videos and in American officials won't even entertain investigating them until they get full disclosure of all unedited recordings
Too right, problem is the few who provide plenty of ammo to be used against the many great operators out there!
I've seen some disgusting things done- not this level of abuse- but I didn't stand by videoing it, or even get to reporting it, I dealt to the guy doing it myself.
 

Kiwi Pete

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I missed that thread on here, but it was certainly getting plenty of my time on fagbook over here!
I have used hip lifters plenty of times, and can see both sides of the original argument. If I saw "a tinted car casing my farm" then I too would have roared off and left the cow alone.
I have a small endless chain and a strop in the sack with my hip clamps which is a good solution I feel, can lift her back end enough to slide the strap under her brisket, crank her level and hoist her onto her pins safely. Another cracking example of how easy it can be to be caught out by the animal rights groups though (n)
There are plenty of aspects of farm operations esp in the dairy industry that aren't probably ever going to be construed as animal friendly, but we owe it to ourselves and our stock to behave like the world's watching us
 

Clay52

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The industry as a whole needs to get its head out of its arse and understand what the animals rights agenda is about.

These videos are shot and conveniently edited not to stop cruelty but to be posted on YouTube to turn public opinion against all forms of animal agricultural.

The conviction rate is shockingly low off the back of these videos and in American officials won't even entertain investigating them until they get full disclosure of all unedited recordings

I think in the states they have laws now that you can't secretly film on farm. Makes perfect sense as animal rights people were either getting jobs or sneaking in to secretly film on farm. What's to stop them from setting up these poor handling situations themselves.

The problem is this has basically backfired . The animal rights people call it the ag gag law and claim "big agriculture" forced the groverment to now allow people to film the bad practices that going on. When really you are not suppose so sneak onto anyone's private property and put cameras in and film them.

Didn't a kiwi guy find a hidden camera in his dairy not that long ago.

I had some hippy looking backpackers in my calf shed when I got back from feeding cows on a weekend with no one else on the farm. I'm not hiding anything because those calves are spoilt. They claimed they were looking for work but I did a pretty thorough search for any cameras when they left.
 

Kiwi Pete

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I think in the states they have laws now that you can't secretly film on farm. Makes perfect sense as animal rights people were either getting jobs or sneaking in to secretly film on farm. What's to stop them from setting up these poor handling situations themselves.

The problem is this has basically backfired . The animal rights people call it the ag gag law and claim "big agriculture" forced the groverment to now allow people to film the bad practices that going on. When really you are not suppose so sneak onto anyone's private property and put cameras in and film them.

Didn't a kiwi guy find a hidden camera in his dairy not that long ago.

I had some hippy looking backpackers in my calf shed when I got back from feeding cows on a weekend with no one else on the farm. I'm not hiding anything because those calves are spoilt. They claimed they were looking for work but I did a pretty thorough search for any cameras when they left.
Yes that's correct, there's a group called farmwatch who are backed and endorsed by an NZ "animal rights" group to dig up dirt on farmers. Hidden cameras etc.
As I said, if you take pride in your farm and stock then there's little to fear; I've called the odd shearing contractor out even as a teenager for rough handling of my dad's ewes.. people use "animal welfare" and "animal rights" too interchangeably
 

RushesToo

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When really you are not suppose so sneak onto anyone's private property and put cameras in and film them.

Didn't a kiwi guy find a hidden camera in his dairy not that long ago.

What are the objections to having a camera looking at what you do?

If you do it well to the best standards there is nothing to be ashamed of. Sports people look at video's of themselves all the time to find fault. Our conscience is always looking over our shoulders, on video it is just more visible.

You live by what you do and how you behave, you should be proud to show it.
 

Clay52

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What are the objections to having a camera looking at what you do?

If you do it well to the best standards there is nothing to be ashamed of. Sports people look at video's of themselves all the time to find fault. Our conscience is always looking over our shoulders, on video it is just more visible.

You live by what you do and how you behave, you should be proud to show it.

I'm pretty sure I could edit a video, add some sad music, darken it to make it look sad and dreary and make tube feeding a calf it's colostrum look bad to uneducated person. Add some text about farmers aggressively force feeding milk to calves that are too weak and or sick to drink for themselves.

We are not fighting on a level playing field here. They don't have to stick to the truth.
 

Clay52

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Yes that's correct, there's a group called farmwatch who are backed and endorsed by an NZ "animal rights" group to dig up dirt on farmers. Hidden cameras etc.
As I said, if you take pride in your farm and stock then there's little to fear; I've called the odd shearing contractor out even as a teenager for rough handling of my dad's ewes.. people use "animal welfare" and "animal rights" too interchangeably

You can do it all by the book and still get made to look bad.

Selective editing and appealing to the emotions of the mainly farming illiterate viewer, It's pretty easy to make even standard things look bad. Treating mastitis. AIing, drenching, injecting.
 

Kiwi Pete

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I'm waiting for the animal rights people to show a group of happy cows grazing grass on a nice sunny day and the cows following the farmer around the paddock trying to get a scratch off him.

If they were truly about animal welfare they would happily publish that but the are actually about ending animal farming.
Trouble is the following that all this emotive, skewed reporting gets. Public Hoover it up and don't question these 'facts', if it's on the internet it must be true :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
So many ways for them to attack rural life,
rodeo, dairyfarming, hunting etc.
It's battling those types that helped hone my online debating skills :mad:
 

Clay52

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Trouble is the following that all this emotive, skewed reporting gets. Public Hoover it up and don't question these 'facts', if it's on the internet it must be true :banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
So many ways for them to attack rural life,
rodeo, dairyfarming, hunting etc.
It's battling those types that helped hone my online debating skills :mad:
That's why even with nothing to hide I don't want to be secretly videoed.

I also avoid having calving paddocks, sick cow paddocks or stock yards, sacrifice feed areas close to roads.
 

Kiwi Pete

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That's why even with nothing to hide I don't want to be secretly videoed.

I also avoid having calving paddocks, sick cow paddocks or stock yards, sacrifice feed areas close to roads.
A mate of ours (central southland) just recently found footprints across her calving pad (sounds dodgy, :oops: sorry) and her 2IC found a trail cam up in a poplar tree a day later, obviously for spying purposes..she was well upset.
I went over there tracking and found another one on the roadside adjacent to the farm entrance, in a waterproof bag, not yet setup.
First one required a 2km walk across her parent's property to install it :mad:
Needless to say both of us now have an extra workshop camera installed, free of charge (y)
barstewards though, pretty underhand way of gathering footage IMO
 
What are the objections to having a camera looking at what you do?

If you do it well to the best standards there is nothing to be ashamed of. Sports people look at video's of themselves all the time to find fault. Our conscience is always looking over our shoulders, on video it is just more visible.

You live by what you do and how you behave, you should be proud to show it.


Thats the most naive thing I've read on here in a long time.

Camera's can be recording for months to capture a few minutes of something that can be edited a YouTube video showing how awful things are.

The world isn't a friendly place some people want to take you and all of us down and don't care if they have to lie to do it
 

jerseycowsman

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I'm waiting for the animal rights people to show a group of happy cows grazing grass on a nice sunny day and the cows following the farmer around the paddock trying to get a scratch off him.

If they were truly about animal welfare they would happily publish that but the are actually about ending animal farming.
They are strokers, vegans have cats and dogs as pets, yes rampant carnivores, then feed them vegan pet food. I just don't understand that
 

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