Worm eggs

[Al R]

Strongyle or Trichstrongyle I think.

It's so dry, wouldn't have thought worms or cocci would be a big challenge provided not grazing grass super tight?

I thought worm pressures must be low as it’s so dry but there’s also no grass, went out with platemeter the other day on ground rested 24 days and had covers off 1300kg/dm/ha, other fields the sheep sh!t was holding the platemeter off the ground. Grass will surely grow like stink once it finally does rain!

 

[hubbahubba]

Lack of rain? I’ve been trying to get a dry day here for a fortnight to no avail. No sign of nemo here, and only a couple of lambs with anything like a dirty rear, but I did give a bunch a dose of white wormer today in anticipation of a warmer few days ahead and the possibility of the hatch coming.

Wish we had some rain. No point in dosing in anticipation of a hatch, have to be in them to kill them.

 

[Highland Mule]

Wish we had some rain. No point in dosing in anticipation of a hatch, have to be in them to kill them.

I’m sure you’re right, and I may have jumped the gun a bit, but it’s been alternating cold, warm and wet for the last few weeks and the forecasts tell me it’s possible. Will keep an eye on arses and not be slow to take them in again if needed.

 

[muleman]

Lack of rain? I’ve been trying to get a dry day here for a fortnight to no avail. No sign of nemo here, and only a couple of lambs with anything like a dirty rear, but I did give a bunch a dose of white wormer today in anticipation of a warmer few days ahead and the possibility of the hatch coming.

We're in Cumbria which is usually very wet....1ml since 20th march, grass disappearing fast!

 

[Highland Mule]

We're in Cumbria which is usually very wet....1ml since 20th march, grass disappearing fast!

We had over an inch last Saturday morning, then the same in the afternoon. Rained every day since, for at least an hour. Not always a lot, but enough that I couldn’t get an evening dry enough to Hep P the lambs after work.

 

[Woolless]

Nice bit of gentle rain here this morning. Don't know if it'll be enough to really push the grass on, or just lubricate the worm larvae!

 

[Skintagain]

I was thinking of going dosing today as I’m getting twitchy. Mid March born all look well no Mucky backends at all lambs look well but they are grazing tight down. Would you bother? Maybe this week coming will bring nemo with this cold spell and then red hot and possibly rain Thursday or Friday. What’s everyone else’s thoughts?

 

[hubbahubba]

I was thinking of going dosing today as I’m getting twitchy. Mid March born all look well no Mucky backends at all lambs look well but they are grazing tight down. Would you bother? Maybe this week coming will bring nemo with this cold spell and then red hot and possibly rain Thursday or Friday. What’s everyone else’s thoughts?

I am the same as you, mid march lambs. Although spoted a few dirty tails today. Plan to do them this week. Using a clear wormer as we always use a white first and wasnt too happy with results last year.

Dont think its getting red hot up here though unfortunately.

 

[Skintagain]

I am the same as you, mid march lambs. Although spoted a few dirty tails today. Plan to do them this week. Using a clear wormer as we always use a white first and wasnt too happy with results last year.

Dont think its getting red hot up here though unfortunately.

Did some today as they needed trailering to some grazing I have aquired for two months and they would be earliest lambs.

We are down for 24 Wednesday and rain Thursday. Will be busy over spring bank by the looks!!

 

[ISCO]

Did fecs on early March lambs last Wednesday. No memo and only 150 worm eggs per gram

 

[Woolless]

Did fecs on early March lambs last Wednesday. No memo and only 150 worm eggs per gram

Interesting. Would you have expected Nemo in those samples? On the SCOPS Nemo map, the nearest point to here is high risk and the others close by very high risk but I wonder if that takes in to account lack of rain?

 

[Al R]

Interesting. Would you have expected Nemo in those samples? On the SCOPS Nemo map, the nearest point to here is high risk and the others close by very high risk but I wonder if that takes in to account lack of rain?

The nearest point to me has double the rainfall, 10x the frosts at least and is 6x the elevation ?‍ I think they’ve gone on top of a mountain? So is it really accurate? Also doesn’t take into account south and north facing fields?
Reading on here nemo doesn’t show up in FEC’s unless there’s a f**kton of nemo which by that point lambs are dropping like peas already?

 

[Woolless]

The nearest point to me has double the rainfall, 10x the frosts at least and is 6x the elevation ?‍ I think they’ve gone on top of a mountain? So is it really accurate? Also doesn’t take into account south and north facing fields?
Reading on here nemo doesn’t show up in FEC’s unless there’s a fudgeton of nemo which by that point lambs are dropping like peas already?

I know, the nearest point to here is a good 30 minutes by car but it gives you an idea.

A real big hatch can cause issues without eggs in the dung but in practice I've found that by keeping an eye on the forecast and taking weekly FECs, I can stay out of real trouble. I've never forgotten the morning in late May I went out to find six dead lambs, a big loss when you have 70 ewes as I did at that time.

 

[GrannyAching]

The nearest point to me has double the rainfall, 10x the frosts at least and is 6x the elevation ?‍ I think they’ve gone on top of a mountain? So is it really accurate? Also doesn’t take into account south and north facing fields?
Reading on here nemo doesn’t show up in FEC’s unless there’s a fudgeton of nemo which by that point lambs are dropping like peas already?

I have to agree, the scops for me, actually up the mountain and facing North from @Al R is usually no more than a guide. Having said that, in many years with mid-April lambs I wouldn't see a nemo. This year lambed a bit earlier and have had to treat twice already. I'm sure @bovine used to say if you saw one nemo in a dung sample that was one too many! I'm sampling once a week at the moment. So far the total lack of rain is playing for me in terms of worm count.

 

[GrannyAching]

@beardface

I keep these as a useful reminder from year to year. I'm pretty sure @neilo gifted me this nemo size guide.

Obviously, you won't see all of these in your dung samples. I use Biopest to check for lungworm but again, it's not something I need to treat for most years.

 

[ISCO]

Interesting. Would you have expected Nemo in those samples? On the SCOPS Nemo map, the nearest point to here is high risk and the others close by very high risk but I wonder if that takes in to account lack of rain?

From appearance of lambs probably not expecting nemo in them.
We had a vet flock health club meeting last Thursday. Vets at Barnard Castle and they said not seeing nemo yet.
Leeming which is 40 minutes South of us is high risk but none here yet.
We'll keep monitoring them.

 

[Woolless]

Checked two dung samples this morning. A few cocci eggs in both but only saw one strongyle egg and no Nemo. They'll be in the pens next weekend, so might check again then.

 

[Woolless]

From appearance of lambs probably not expecting nemo in them.
We had a vet flock health club meeting last Thursday. Vets at Barnard Castle and they said not seeing nemo yet.
Leeming which is 40 minutes South of us is high risk but none here yet.
We'll keep monitoring them.

Sounds like we're safe enough up here for while then

 

[Tim W]

Looks like strongyle from here---
Just FEC'd the different groups today and no sign of nemo (yet)
Startling difference between Charollais and Exlana FEC (same field/same management since last October)
Exlana = 210 epg
Charollais= 2160 epg

If the Charollais are that high a FEC, do they not look like cr*p in themselves? I would expect any sheep that was that high to look 'wormy', and likely to have done so for a while.

Update on FEC @neilo
Today the Charollais are 3600 epg and the Exlana 390 epg
Still no nemo
Better reduce the burden by drenching the Charollais ewes

 

[Woolless]

Sampled the main mob on Monday. 200epg Nemo and 100 strongyle. Got them dosed which was really just as well because if they wanted to be left for a week, it would have been a right ball ache given where they'd be on the grazing rotation. Ovivac-p given as well, so hopefully no need to be in the pens before eight-week weights mid-June