Worst fuel filter I have ever seen.

Ley253

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Location
Bath
Dont buy that, its double the correct price! Due to fuel bug and other problems, I have bought several lately, and all have been in the £3.00 range!
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
That filter could be as old as me .............

Did CAV ever sell simple pleated paper elements with solid capped top end caps in an open-deck case? I don't think they did. CAV had top caps sealed to the body with circular holes where you could see the horizontally pleated fine high-quality white media.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
This is what a genuine CAV fuel filter looks like.

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This is what tarted up El-cheapy-crappy looks like.

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However, it is likely that the cheaply constructed filter will work adequately well if changed fairly often and water is kept out of the system. Even 'genuine parts, from some big tractor brands offer these cheapies these days, probably in order to compete with other cheap outlets in a very price-sensitive market.
 
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Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
I've still got a couple of 296 in stock but nothing to fit them on. The Same Titan takes the longer 796 as seen above.

Yes, I do know that the early engines did not use 296 with the step for the bowl's sealing ring and had, instead, a flange similar to the top one repeated at the bottom. I just don't recall the common model numbers for those.
 

Mursal

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Never studied the inside of those filters to that level to be honest. However back a few years ago, we were always told to have a spare set (usually two fitted) in the cab of any lorry on red diesel. As some wouldn't last a day with the poor quality diesel, old storage tanks, old lorries, and high volume of fuel used in a day. First indication to the driver would be the temperature gauge starting to rise above the normal run point on the needle.

So if we started looking into the construction of the filter, our days would have been numbered.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
Never studied the inside of those filters to that level to be honest.
That's the difference between me, a self confessed saddo, and most people. Yet someone will be along soon accusing me yet again of googling for this stuff. Well yes, I googled for the pictures, but you've got to know what to google for in the first place, and that means having substantially more than a clue.

First time I ever saw cheap open top deck non-genuine fuel filers was back in the 1980's when Greyfriars and even Lucas Services/Crosland started selling them. Actually they were at least as expensive to buy back then as they are today.

Genuine CAV/Delphi and similar ones from Sogefi/Fiaam would clog up with wax in cold weather much sooner than the larger pore'd cheapies. Stanadyne were similarly of high quality. Today with CR systems, it essential to use at least as high quality filters, but with those older engines you could get away with more for longer before having issues.
 
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Vizslaman

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Location
Hampshire
If you look at the original filter I removed there are no holes in the top surface.
Maybe the holes were a later edition which make the original really old.
Tractor was last on DVLA records in 1998
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
If you look at the original filter I removed there are no holes in the top surface.
Maybe the holes were a later edition which make the original really old.
Tractor was last on DVLA records in 1998

If I remember correctly the holes, clearly seen in your pictures, should be at the top. The big central hole should be at the bottom.

Unless the very early type was 'upside-down' which I don't ever recall.
 

Cowabunga

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Location
Ceredigion,Wales
As I got quite enthusiastic about my oil filters but haven't yet plumbed the murky depths of fuel filter territory, do I then take it from the above conversation that this:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HDF296-Genuine-Delphi-Fuel-Filter-Lucas-CAV-7111-296-x-1/332679655046

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would be the better quality replacement for a 35?

If you are sure that your 35 has a 296 model or equivalent filter fitting, yes, absolutely. I seem to remember some 35's had, or also had a Purolator replaceable element fuel filter, but it could be my memory playing tricks. I honestly have not looked at these 35 tractors since we got the 135 in 1965 and another in 1975. The 135 certainly had the 296 type filter times two. Only one on a Ford 5000 by the way, which I always thought peculiar. Surely Ford could have spent 50p more to fit the longer pin and 796 filter. But the penny-pinching sods didn't.
 

Netherfield

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Location
West Yorkshire
As I said earlier the 44 is not a 296, Inline filters cross reference the 44 as different to 296 , BF838F2 and BF 825.

Ford trucks in their wisdom decided to be awkward when building engines for D series trucks, although many would cross reference filters to fit as the 296, you could not pump fuel through, and although earlier engines had CAV injector pumps,later ones Bosch, the filter heads were Purolator made, we got round ours by swapping the head over to CAV to save having different filters to stock, the Ford filter had the same look as that shown by @Cowabunga , queensberry tractor parts.
 

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