Would this system work with articulated tractors?

[doorknob]

Here is a video of a Claydon that has a separate fertilizer hopper up front.
I will keep searching as I come up with search words and phrases, but has anyone used a system like that on an articulated tractor? Likely I would choose to tow a trailed drill, but to keep some weight off of the drill in wet conditions like the video shows, I'd think putting the fertilizer up front would work well.
Would it? Does it take two fans?

 

[Ruston3w]

I know it's an ignorant question but why do you chaps not carry on the rear of your artic, we ran a lightweight artic for a bit (well, ok cheap rubbishy MF1505) it was always light on the back and I often look at my Fendt toolcarriers and think the Fergy had the same load platform on it, we just didn't think that way then. Lovely modern wide tyres and a couple of ton or so in a hopper, no extra ballast needed?

 

[doorknob]

I know it's an ignorant question but why do you chaps not carry on the rear of your artic, we ran a lightweight artic for a bit (well, ok cheap rubbishy MF1505) it was always light on the back and I often look at my Fendt toolcarriers and think the Fergy had the same load platform on it, we just didn't think that way then. Lovely modern wide tyres and a couple of ton or so in a hopper, no extra ballast needed?

In a basic sense, "here" there is a very large difference in operations between the two coast lines. The largest part being the mid section of the USA, which, uses very large implements and most of them are designed for drawbar pull. So,...the tractors for the larger majority, come from the factory as "bare back". No pto or 3 point hitch. We can order them new, but it's a funny thing here, the people that need the hitch and/or pto, are not large enough acre operations to afford new for the most part. So we are stuck buying used which means bare back.

Front hitches on mfwd tractors, though a very few are now showing up, they are very rare and usually they were imported from your area.

 

[KennyO]

@doorknob you used to be able to get an Accord Hopper that was like that one in the video.

You could get it fitted onto a frame on the front of tractor then it had a ram to lift the metering drive wheel. I have only ever seen them fitted on front linkage though.

 

[doorknob]

@doorknob you used to be able to get an Accord Hopper that was like that one in the video.

You could get it fitted onto a frame on the front of tractor then it had a ram to lift the metering drive wheel. I have only ever seen them fitted on front linkage though.

There are a lot of articulated tractors over here with silage blades on them and some with construction blades. They are ag tractors, not construction tractors. Have been doing it for decades, so I would think your idea is solid and should work well. I know on my older tractors, there is plenty iron to the frame. I just dont know enough about air delivery yet to know if running a hose that far would cause issues or not. If only I could get potassium in liquid form at a high enough analysis, I would go liquid.

 

[KennyO]

There are a lot of articulated tractors over here with silage blades on them and some with construction blades. They are ag tractors, not construction tractors. Have been doing it for decades, so I would think your idea is solid and should work well. I know on my older tractors, there is plenty iron to the frame. I just dont know enough about air delivery yet to know if running a hose that far would cause issues or not. If only I could get potassium in liquid form at a high enough analysis, I would go liquid.

Fertiliser is a bit of a pain to blow sometime. Most front hoppers run on Hydraullic driven fans and you would be blowing it further from the front of an Artic Tractor. Someone on here had to fit a donkey engine to drive a drill fan when they were towing it with and old Artic tractor cause it never had enough Hyd. flow. I think it was @tw15 ??

I can't really see the benefit of a front mounted hopper with a trailed drill though. They are useful on a mounted drill because you are balancing the weight of the rear unit.

 

[doorknob]

Fertiliser is a bit of a pain to blow sometime. Most front hoppers run on Hydraullic driven fans and you would be blowing it further from the front of an Artic Tractor. Someone on here had to fit a donkey engine to drive a drill fan when they were towing it with and old Artic tractor cause it never had enough Hyd. flow. I think it was @tw15 ??

I can't really see the benefit of a front mounted hopper with a trailed drill though. They are useful on a mounted drill because you are balancing the weight of the rear unit.

I agree. I'll tell you the "why" of the thought of the front tank. I will have to use a trailing drill at least for this spring as I do not have a 3 point hitch on my tractors. I do not have time to get a Claydon here by the time I will have to attempt seeding, and I will be attempting seeding when it is way too wet. The trailing drill will already be heavy on the transport wheels and when I raise it at the ends, if I have any more weight on it, it will sink and stick the tractor.

I am working on other options that include bigger tires on the transport of the drill and removing a hitch from a dolly to put on the tractor.

 

[Ruston3w]

I meant to ask about carrying a tank on the rear half of chassis, not linkage.....not sure if it came over that way? Do your tractors have any removable rear ballast that could come off?

 

[doorknob]

I meant to ask about carrying a tank on the rear half of chassis, not linkage.....not sure if it came over that way? Do your tractors have any removable rear ballast that could come off?

Awe, sorry about that. I assumed you meant linkage. The fuel tank is in the way on the Steigers. I think the Versatile tractors have a lot of room over the rear axle. But the Seigers that I have, have very little room unless it is set up very tall.

 

[Ruston3w]

Ok now I see too, I've only met MF and JD which were lightweight and sort of had room, Untill recently we drilled/planted 3/4of the farm in spring and used Glencoe/ wilrich/JD field cultivators /Mulchtillers never enough wheels in a wet spot?

 

[glasshouse]

put the fert tank above the steiger rear wheels, i used to have one.
it spoils rear view, but fit a camera.

 

[Spencer]

This seems to be managing to blow it a fair way....

 

[doorknob]

put the fert tank above the steiger rear wheels, i used to have one.
it spoils rear view, but fit a camera.

You would'nt by chance happen to have any old pictures of your mounting setup would you? I know I can mount to the very rear behind the fuel tank, but how did you mount to the front of the tank?

 

[doorknob]

This seems to be managing to blow it a fair way....

You guys get all the cool stuff. We are stuck with the big 3 and it is all corn and soybean junk.

 

[York]

You guys get all the cool stuff. We are stuck with the big 3 and it is all corn and soybean junk.

it'ws not so cool, rely.
If you are on hilly ground and drive downwards ....
On flat land a lot works.......
That is one reason why we have Agritechnica where the world is meeting.
York-Th.

 

[doorknob]

it'ws not so cool, rely.
If you are on hilly ground and drive downwards ....
On flat land a lot works.......
That is one reason why we have Agritechnica where the world is meeting.
York-Th.

You'd have to know how limited our equipment selection for this area is to appreciate what I said. We have a deere drill, a case ih drill, and some triple disk setups that only wish they could no-till or dd. That's it. If you want air delivery you have valmar or gandy, otherwise it is 5 ton empty weight air carts. We just do not have the road widths like the majority of the nation does. We and a few other areas of the US, have roads almost as narrow as yours. Not quite, but almost. And a 14' height limit which is another equipment transport issue that limits us.

 

[York]

You'd have to know how limited our equipment selection for this area is to appreciate what I said. We have a deere drill, a case ih drill, and some triple disk setups that only wish they could no-till or dd. That's it. If you want air delivery you have valmar or gandy, otherwise it is 5 ton empty weight air carts. We just do not have the road widths like the majority of the nation does. We and a few other areas of the US, have roads almost as narrow as yours. Not quite, but almost. And a 14' height limit which is another equipment transport issue that limits us.

Doorknowb,
I wish we had Valmar more easily available.
Accord is very limited & not up to date any more.
on your road limitations I understand you well. As you say you need narrower units we are bound to this 10feet even in regions where we have no dense population and could go with wider units as well.
Just bear in mind that in Ukraine the max legal width is 2.5m, even for combines. So every one is "forced" to bribe local police to drive with a combine or a 3m wider unit "legally" on the road.
York-Th.

 

[quattro]

Knockie had a df2 hopper on top of his quadtrack don't know if there's any pics of that

 

[AG Tim]

We installed a former 850kg front weight into the hopper, to get weight on it if it is getting empty. We need the weight for transmission and turning an steep headlands.

Biggest issue is the hydraulic capacity of the pump. The fendt has the capacity (i think 220 l per min, axion only had 180, wasnt enough to operate as fast as we want) but only one pump, so also only one priority valve that is attached on the fan, so if you have two one will not hold the air pressure constant.
The drill with markers and individual hydraulic pressure on each leg and lifting cylinders need also pretty much oil flow - so we are thinking about a pto driven pump on the drill itself with independent oil supply.

Next thing where all the hoses, so liquid fert should be much easier and now since we have the option, We struggle to use it in most cases as i often cant See a demand . osr gets slurry or compost, wheat and barley have no demand as drilled after peas/beans/osr/silage corn, cereals in cereal stubble would be some Other issue, also spring crops - the picture was made when we were drilling silage maize - seed in front hopper, npk in the drill - but it is a Bad promise to singulation as i think a normal planter (europe normal) wont get the seeds in the stubble.

 

[doorknob]

We installed a former 850kg front weight into the hopper, to get weight on it if it is getting empty. We need the weight for transmission and turning an steep headlands.

Biggest issue is the hydraulic capacity of the pump. The fendt has the capacity (i think 220 l per min, axion only had 180, wasnt enough to operate as fast as we want) but only one pump, so also only one priority valve that is attached on the fan, so if you have two one will not hold the air pressure constant.
The drill with markers and individual hydraulic pressure on each leg and lifting cylinders need also pretty much oil flow - so we are thinking about a pto driven pump on the drill itself with independent oil supply.

Next thing where all the hoses, so liquid fert should be much easier and now since we have the option, We struggle to use it in most cases as i often cant See a demand . osr gets slurry or compost, wheat and barley have no demand as drilled after peas/beans/osr/silage corn, cereals in cereal stubble would be some Other issue, also spring crops - the picture was made when we were drilling silage maize - seed in front hopper, npk in the drill - but it is a Bad promise to singulation as i think a normal planter (europe normal) wont get the seeds in the stubble.

That's a Sumo of some kind is'nt it? And what brand of box on front?