Would you buy an electric vehicle POLL

[john 650]

I’ve not read all of this .I was talking to someone yesterday about is new electric car (Audi 55 quattro very Nice car ) said if you are thinking about going electric which is car made me think we may go this way. Apply for your grant now for your charging point at home because it’s ending next year so I’ve just looked it up and they are stopping the grant or lowering itView attachment 996985

Trouble is, they won't give you the grant without you having evidence you have the car either on order, or in situ already.

 

[Oliveau]

I'll stick with diesel as long as I can.
I don't think that electric car are compatible with living in rural areas, and doing long journeys.
Shortage/cost of lithium.
Lack of generating capacity to provide required electricity.

I'd rather wait to see what happens with Hydrogen. Even further down the road, I believe that someone is working on batteries that use cheaper and more available aluminium rather than lithium.

 

[warksfarmer]

I renewed in April I think at 15 up from 11p
At the moment the farm is out of contract with eon and not paying anywhere close to 30p 15-20 on and off peak last I checked a few weeks ago.
So night charging at 15p is still possible.
Solar which has a payback time that’s reduced by increased consumption, the greater the self consumption especaly at rates close to 30p is also a good way to avoid paying 30p for electric, combine that with a home battery and if you watch EVM’s videos he will explain it better than me, why solar is a no brainier for EV car users.
And avoid high peak time charges.

the merc is hauling a 108kwh battery but only manages 400 ish miles as WLTP estimates are very over generous. It’s will be more like 300 plus maybe 350 down hill. The Merc efficiency is very poor it’s 250watts per mile at best while others can do 200 watts per mile and better. A lot do just over 5 miles per kwh, in real world driving conditions.

And with its standard charging at only 110kwh in the merc which is far slower than the 350kw now starting to be installed in the fastest charge stations.
It makes the model S look cheap, while the model S is a massive car by uk standards and not very car park friendly, and also it’s not a good comparison to your merc. In anything but price, as it beats it in nearly every category

if you like Mercs, then like you I would not buy the EV one at 100k list, I would wait for the second generation or try other brands. By 2025 ish EV cars will be offering a far bigger range of choice.

there is a reason Tesla now has a valuation greater than every other car company in the world combined it’s because technology wise they are innovating so fast the others look to be standing still, that and they have a close loop supply chain where possible including the recycling of battery packs.

Don’t like the Tesla. I’ve dug the exact figures out.

All prices plus vat.
Servicing included.
Tyres not included.

GLC £412/month + 1 payment down, 36month contract.
Previous one averaged 42mpg (same driver) which at £1.40/litre at the time meant over 3 years a further £158/month. Total price before tyres 55p/mile.

EQC £744/month + 3 payments down, 36 month contract.
77p/mile BEFORE elec charging costs are added to it.

Over 3 years before tyre cost accounted for the elec would cost £8098 more than the diesel. That’s before charging costs are added in as well as the cost of putting the charging points in on a domestic property. Elec price at the time of the quote was 15p, but that contract ended and it’s now 30p at that property. You add in the elec cost at 30p/kwh and it’s even worse.

Had quotes from 3 sources and the above was the cheapest. It’s miles away from stacking up for us and unless it’s cheaper what’s the point? What we do in this little country of ours is irrelevant climate change wise so unless the USA, Russia, China, India so acting there’s no point us doing anything at all.

 

[chickens and wheat]

Im ok with electric as while living in the sticks im actually only a mile or two from the A1m, so I dont have to travel through charger dead areas when nearing home.
The way I see it you need to know of chargers on your home route ,just incase, less range anxiety if you have a backup plan.

 

[john 650]

Im ok with electric as while living in the sticks im actually only a mile or two from the A1m, so I dont have to travel through charger dead areas when nearing home.
The way I see it you need to know of chargers on your home route ,just incase, less range anxiety if you have a backup plan.

Exactly this.

Having done not inconsiderable level of miles in mine in 5 months, and a pretty remote area (it's not the shetlands, but it's pretty rural to say the least), I'd say EVs can work for anyone.

It's not in my interest though to convince more people to join, at least short term- as the more cars there are, the busier the chargers might get, so if you all want to stick to derv, that's fine by me.

if you're the kind of driver that gets itchy feet as soon as the yellow light comes on, EV's are not for you- to be cost effective to run- you need to plan to arrive home as close to empty as possible...

Numbers aren't going to add up for everyone, but personally I'm several thousand a year better off, and driving a better car

 

[Dave645]

Don’t like the Tesla. I’ve dug the exact figures out.

All prices plus vat.
Servicing included.
Tyres not included.

GLC £412/month + 1 payment down, 36month contract.
Previous one averaged 42mpg (same driver) which at £1.40/litre at the time meant over 3 years a further £158/month. Total price before tyres 55p/mile.

EQC £744/month + 3 payments down, 36 month contract.
77p/mile BEFORE elec charging costs are added to it.

Over 3 years before tyre cost accounted for the elec would cost £8098 more than the diesel. That’s before charging costs are added in as well as the cost of putting the charging points in on a domestic property. Elec price at the time of the quote was 15p, but that contract ended and it’s now 30p at that property. You add in the elec cost at 30p/kwh and it’s even worse.

Had quotes from 3 sources and the above was the cheapest. It’s miles away from stacking up for us and unless it’s cheaper what’s the point? What we do in this little country of ours is irrelevant climate change wise so unless the USA, Russia, China, India so acting there’s no point us doing anything at all.

It seems they are only interested in the white Wales of this world the ones that have more money than sense.
I doubt they will get many takers at those prices.

 

[john 650]

It seems they are only interested in the white Wales of this world the ones that have more money than sense.
I doubt they will get many takers at those prices.

May be why you hardly see any EQCs on the road. The E-tron had a load of decent offers on it when I was looking 12 months back, which made it very competitive- certainly far more so than a comparative Q5 or Q7 would. EQC i didn't look at partly because it seemed poor value for money comparatively

 

[HatsOff]

Don’t like the Tesla. I’ve dug the exact figures out.

All prices plus vat.
Servicing included.
Tyres not included.

GLC £412/month + 1 payment down, 36month contract.
Previous one averaged 42mpg (same driver) which at £1.40/litre at the time meant over 3 years a further £158/month. Total price before tyres 55p/mile.

EQC £744/month + 3 payments down, 36 month contract.
77p/mile BEFORE elec charging costs are added to it.

Over 3 years before tyre cost accounted for the elec would cost £8098 more than the diesel. That’s before charging costs are added in as well as the cost of putting the charging points in on a domestic property. Elec price at the time of the quote was 15p, but that contract ended and it’s now 30p at that property. You add in the elec cost at 30p/kwh and it’s even worse.

Had quotes from 3 sources and the above was the cheapest. It’s miles away from stacking up for us and unless it’s cheaper what’s the point? What we do in this little country of ours is irrelevant climate change wise so unless the USA, Russia, China, India so acting there’s no point us doing anything at all.

I'm not sure looking at Mercedes in the same breath as considering economic driving makes much sense.

Kia EV6 would be my choice!

 

[warksfarmer]

I'm not sure looking at Mercedes in the same breath as considering economic driving makes much sense.

Kia EV6 would be my choice!

Had 8 Mercs over the years and other than a ML which had 168k miles on it and a bad elec problem, we’ve never had any problems with any of them. Far far better than the LR products we’ve also had.

I’m afraid I wouldn’t even look at a Kia. Car wise we have what we like and the cost is of secondary importance within reason. So £400/month for a GLC is fine but £744/month for a eqc is not.

 

[Highland Mule]

Had 8 Mercs over the years and other than a ML which had 168k miles on it and a bad elec problem, we’ve never had any problems with any of them. Far far better than the LR products we’ve also had.

I’m afraid I wouldn’t even look at a Kia. Car wise we have what we like and the cost is of secondary importance within reason. So £400/month for a GLC is fine but £744/month for a eqc is not.

I did a quick look last night and can’t remember the leasing company but found the electric merc for £600 and change including vat, on a 36 month deal. I suspect your company were as unkeen on the electric as you, but others may not be.
Probably too late now, but worth a google if you haven’t ordered.

Alternatively, there are some cracking tax breaks to buy, if you have the cash flow and have a Ltd Co. - it’s a no brainer if you can.

 

[roscoe erf]

#SNL - Julia Louis-Dreyfus Does Commercial For Battery-Operated Mercedes AA Class Car.mp4

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[Frankzy]

Funnily enough that would actually give you a noteworthy amount of power, AA batteries holds about 3,9 watt hours and 9.648*0,0039 is 37,6 Kwh. Definitely on the smaller side for a full EV but it's larger than the earlier Leaf's...

 

[Highland Mule]

Funnily enough that would actually give you a noteworthy amount of power, AA batteries holds about 3,9 watt hours and 9.648*0,0039 is 37,6 Kwh. Definitely on the smaller side for a full EV but it's larger than the earlier Leaf's...

Quite close to the truth too - Tesla use an enormous number of 18650 type batteries in their cars - a few thousand per car.

File:Liion-18650-AA-battery.jpg - Wikimedia Commons

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[Tomr10]

Not cars however I seen a elect jcb and jcb handler transported down the m6 earlier

 

[Frankzy]

Quite close to the truth too - Tesla use an enormous number of 18650 type batteries in their cars - a few thousand per car.

File:Liion-18650-AA-battery.jpg - Wikimedia Commons

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They would've needed some form of cooling though, the real battery packs are liquid cooled after all..
Also the newer models use the even bigger 2170 format. IIRC you are close to 20Wh per battery at that form factor.

 

[Highland Mule]

They would've needed some form of cooling though, the real battery packs are liquid cooled after all..
Also the newer models use the even bigger 2170 format. IIRC you are close to 20Wh per battery at that form factor.

Isn't the cooling only for high power charging only? I know that they heat the packs so that they can extract power out of them in colder weather, but didn't think they needed cooling in use. The SNL sketch was single trip batteries, so presumably would have been thrown away after one use .

 

[Frankzy]

Isn't the cooling only for high power charging only? I know that they heat the packs so that they can extract power out of them in colder weather, but didn't think they needed cooling in use. The SNL sketch was single trip batteries, so presumably would have been thrown away after one use .

No the cooling is needed basically all the time, (though maybe not at -20) because Li-ions needs to be kept cooler than 45 degrees and with how packed together the cells are they'd reach 45 with barely any current draw even if ambient isn't super warm.

 

[bobk]

Last nights Top Gear confirmed my belief that at the moment electric cars are useless .

 

[hally]

Last nights Top Gear confirmed my belief that at the moment electric cars are useless .

“Geoff” from the camp site is actually a local to here farmer/livestock haulier.

 

[bobk]

“Geoff” from the camp site is actually a local to here farmer/livestock haulier.

Thought it was filmed in Northumberland