Would you buy an electric vehicle POLL

would you buy an electric vehicle

  • Yes

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Clive

Staff Member
NFFN Member
Location
Lichfield
How many miles on a charge do you get, do you get anxious about the battery going flat if you get stuck in a traffic jam, and approx how much was your EV? Don’t answer the last one if you don’t want to. And how much does a full charge cost?

258 miles in summer dropping to about 200 in winter - more than we usually do in a day so usually charge overnight at home

never get anxious- plenty places to charge and it no more bother than filling with petrol really, just different, takes no longer than a pee and starbucks at worst

my ev was rather expensive as its a premium rand / v high performance model but they don’t have to be , that’s personal choice and you buy whatever you are fortunate enough to afford
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
NFFN Member
exactly - capital cost is the only downside i can see or agree with

however cost of use / ownership is probably more important when you can finance for next to nothing

you don’t have to spend 100k plus either - 30k -40k gets some decent new options today which do not look so bad vs similar new ICE cars

don’t t forget tax savings either - for a business owner or company user on salary sacrifice paying higher rate tax that 100k could be actually be less than half that price in reality …….. no brainer
The most I've EVER spent on a vehicle, new or used, was £16k.

I think it'll be a while before we are running one.
 

john 650

Member
Livestock Farmer
Being the pedantic git I am you prob mean Sept? Also, any particular reason you've picked THAT month only?

You posted the graph btw so we can see your workings. Just saying........


The %age of total sales is shown by the line, and the right vertical axis.

The bar chart on the left axis represents the actual number of BEV/PHEV sold.
 

john 650

Member
Livestock Farmer
His brand has a surplus of them parked up not registered. I prefer to listen to somebody who owns a dealership and gas to sell the things.


Of course you would, and so would I. Doesn't sound like he's selling the right brand to me though. Not many companies in any sector have the "luxury" of sitting on surplus stock at the moment- and certainly not the vehicle market- with most new car compounds empty, and new stock months away, regardless of what's under the bonnet.

Unless of course, the product his company are trying to sell is unattractive in it's particular market.... Given the growth in EVs, and the "evidence" your mate gave you, it sounds like he's flogging a dead horse...
 

DaveGrohl

Member
Location
Cumbria
The %age of total sales is shown by the line, and the right vertical axis.

The bar chart on the left axis represents the actual number of BEV/PHEV sold.
Indeed, I couldn't work out why the bars and the average line didn't correspond in any way. The only way it made sense was if the left hand axis as hidden so you've clarified thanks.
 
30k -40k gets some decent new options today which do not look so bad vs similar new ICE cars

The most I've EVER spent on a vehicle, new or used, was £16k.

I think it'll be a while before we are running one.


I haven't spent 40 grand on buying cars in total in my whole life.

I think I'll revisit the whole EV thing in 15 years time.
 

john 650

Member
Livestock Farmer
I see a big issue with residuals on ev cars

The biggest issue after say 5 years is how f**ked is the battery , the machines life blood


Yup- so do I. But the value of the residual is built in to the monthly cost my company pay to lease mine... The lease company clearly have confidence the residuals will be in line, despite the fact it will be doing 40K miles a year.

They seem to have more faith in the residual value of a 4 year old EV with 160K miles, than they do the residual of a 4 year old TDi with 160k miles. Frankly- I don't care if their calculator is wrong- it doesn't alter what I pay.
 
exactly - capital cost is the only downside i can see or agree with

however cost of use / ownership is probably more important when you can finance for next to nothing

you don’t have to spend 100k plus either - 30k -40k gets some decent new options today which do not look so bad vs similar new ICE cars

don’t t forget tax savings either - for a business owner or company user on salary sacrifice paying higher rate tax that 100k could be actually be less than half that price in reality …….. no brainer

Like with anything computer related it’s worthless when your done. The batteries are not infinite and it’s a cost nobody knows about at the moment like my dealership friend who is being shafted presently. Nobody knows about used elec market yet.
 

john 650

Member
Livestock Farmer
Like with anything computer related it’s worthless when your done. The batteries are not infinite and it’s a cost nobody knows about at the moment like my dealership friend who is being shafted presently. Nobody knows about used elec market yet.


Why is it a problem?

Lease it. It's more tax efficient in most cases, takes away a need for capital, fixes your costs, and lets the lease companies worry about the residuals. They're paid to do exactly that, and their business relies on them doing it accurately. They don't seem worried....
 
Why is it a problem?

Lease it. It's more tax efficient in most cases, takes away a need for capital, fixes your costs, and lets the lease companies worry about the residuals. They're paid to do exactly that, and their business relies on them doing it accurately. They don't seem worried....

As I mentioned earlier on in the thread elec lease when I looked earlier on this year was going to cost about £14,000 more over 3 years than diesel of the same vehicle. That’s without running new charging points because we have no elec near where the cars are parked. I detailed all the figure somewhere in this thread.
 
I see a big issue with residuals on ev cars

The biggest issue after say 5 years is how f**ked is the battery , the machines life blood

Exactly. It’s the same as 2nd hand phones. After a couple of years the battery’s can only charge to about 70% capacity and then loose charge quicker than normal.

Just imagine something then that’s done 100k miles as well ……… you’d have to pay me to take one so to me elec cars are worthless.
 

john 650

Member
Livestock Farmer
As I mentioned earlier on in the thread elec lease when I looked earlier on this year was going to cost about £14,000 more over 3 years than diesel of the same vehicle. That’s without running new charging points because we have no elec near where the cars are parked. I detailed all the figure somewhere in this thread.

Each to their own. I do remember thinking it looked like the batteries on your calculator were knackered when I read them!
 

Robt

Member
Location
Suffolk
The most I've EVER spent on a vehicle, new or used, was £16k.

I think it'll be a while before we are running one.
or this
or even this !
 

Robt

Member
Location
Suffolk
Like with anything computer related it’s worthless when your done. The batteries are not infinite and it’s a cost nobody knows about at the moment like my dealership friend who is being shafted presently. Nobody knows about used elec market yet.
how is he (sales guy) being shafted by them (battery companies) . Is he guarneteeing range then getting fined for reduced rang?
 

Widgetone

Member
Trade
Location
Westish Suffolk
or this
or even this !
That last one is Clive's! Nicked from Longleat as well....
 

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