Would you buy an electric vehicle POLL

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jimred

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Livestock Farmer
Location
Pennines
A cheap taxi/ Uber is about £1-£1.50/mile. Unless public transport is a viable option, 7,000 a year needs a car. Sadly, there are lots of folks who can’t use public transport.
Don't forget in that 7000 mile average a number of people are doing significantly less and also the majority of people live in urban areas where there is some public transport. Look outside most schools and see the number of little darlings getting collected in a car who will almost always live within a couple of miles. Both the child and the parent would see health benefits from walking or cycling. Cut out the unnecessary usage and suddenly an Uber for what is left is feasible.
 

holwellcourtfarm

Member
Livestock Farmer
If a car is only doing max. of 7000 miles a year people should be seriously questioning whether they really need a car. I suspect the answer for a fair proportion of them is no.
Really?

We are doing 5k a year.

Town is 3 miles away (all 3 of them).

No local public transport.

How would we shop for groceries, quite apart from everything else? Taxis?
 

Robt

Member
Location
Suffolk
Toyota are running a con in my personal opinion with their "Self charging hybrid" advertising.

The only time they self charge is when braking.

As for Mitsubishi claiming 148 mpg from the Outlander PHEV :mad:🤯

A complete distortion of the morals behind EVs imho.
To be fair tot Mitsubishi. I had one for a week on trial. On my daily trip from hotel to office ( 20 miles each way. ) I easily got 150mpg….. it was a very boring car though
 

Dave645

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Arable Farmer
Location
N Lincs
I’m not so sure. Can’t see it being 10%.

In the states they’ve got 1.3 mill elec vehicles vs 283 million normal vehicles.

There’s places in the uk that have now been without elec for 6 days due to storm arwen. What happens if those people have a serious emergency but can’t charge their elec cars?
It’s another reason to have home solar, while it’s difficult to go off grid with just solar and 99.9% of people would not want to go off grid a Tesla power wall with solar is one of a number of options for instantaneous ability to move the home to off grid instantly.
And the solar keeps the system charging while It would offer limited power in winter in the uk it would keep the lights on and a gas or oil boiler, and gas cooker running. Yes even gas boilers need electric to run pumps even when the pumps are only 50watts if you don’t have that 50watts your out of luck.

the Tesla power wall cuts the grid connection so your no longer connected to the grid so the power lines are still safe to work on even while your enjoying still having power.
The fully charged YouTube video covers them.
 

john 650

Member
Livestock Farmer
That's the same reply I had from the four people I know off with electric or hybrid cars. All said the same. Electric vehicles are sh!t. They had no choice as all have company cars. None would get one themselves. There own cars are all diesel.
I'm on my first EV, and wife is on her second hybrid- both Company cars.

Wife's first hybrid was the Mini countryman hybrid- 18 plate- seemed ok, but only 20 odd miles on Electric- which meant it was expensive to run on petrol. She now has an A3 hybrid- which does over twice the miles per KW of electric my etron does- and almost 50 miles electric only. It's reporting 120mpg on the 3k or so miles it's done so far. It's pretty astounding how far they've progressed in three years, from what the mini was capable of.

My EV arrived for tax reasons, but I won't be going back to dino juice.
 

itsalwaysme

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Location
Cheshire
If a car is only doing max. of 7000 miles a year people should be seriously questioning whether they really need a car. I suspect the answer for a fair proportion of them is no.
Maybe it's those doing 20,30 or 40,000 a year that should be questioning what they are doing and is it really needed, unless your driving a truck delivering goods. It's hardly "Bert and Doris" who visit their daughter twice a week, do their weekly shop at Sainsburys on a Friday morning, and pop round to the pharmacy to pick up a prescription, in their 10 year old Nissan Micra that are damaging the environment is it.
There are a lot of people who do small amount of mileage and have probably never spent more than a few thousand on a car, but especially for the elderly it helps maintain their independence, they are a long way off owning an electric car.
 

chickens and wheat

Member
Mixed Farmer
I agree any doris types effectivly scrapping their elderly micra to go electic are not helping environmentaly.

Same way as me changing my ford ranger for an electric version to do 5000mile.pa would be pointless.

We went electric as the kids need taking the school bus stop 4 miles away, then they attend after school clubs so often dont get the bus home. Scouts sports other evening events to take them too, wifes work 3 days a week. All easily well within battery range.

Where we do save is not doing those short runs from a cold engine block starts in ice cars. Mpg was never good on winter school runs.
 

br jones

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dont know how much of this is fact
 

Dave645

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Arable Farmer
Location
N Lincs
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dont know how much of this is fact
not a lot of it are facts.

The fact batteries are about 99% recyclable says it all, and Tesla has setup factories to do so.
the fact coal and gas are zero % recyclable just like oil, are better facts, I would be shocked if mining was that high if it is it’s the entire mining industry that includes those gold mining, copper mining, and coal mining etc etc. The reality is while yes mining has increased for battery materials it’s not at the scale of coal mining which has been going on for a long time and still ongoing. This is what we like to call fud.
 

Dave645

Member
Arable Farmer
Location
N Lincs
I agree any doris types effectivly scrapping their elderly micra to go electic are not helping environmentaly.

Same way as me changing my ford ranger for an electric version to do 5000mile.pa would be pointless.

We went electric as the kids need taking the school bus stop 4 miles away, then they attend after school clubs so often dont get the bus home. Scouts sports other evening events to take them too, wifes work 3 days a week. All easily well within battery range.

Where we do save is not doing those short runs from a cold engine block starts in ice cars. Mpg was never good on winter school runs.
I would agree the bigger waste is replacing a perfectly good vehicle for no good reason, those doing next to no mileage a year have little impact on the problem, but I would say if your a person that changes their car every 3 years why not invest in an EV or just lease one, the lease deals are not bad, as long as your not looking at Merc EV’s, and it’s your second hand cars that kick start the second hand markets, the people who buy nearly new to 3 years old cars, they then trickle down to the 6-10 year old second hand market etc etc.

only a small % of car buyers buy/lease new cars, far more but second hand cars.

If you are someone that buys new, and keeps them along time, then just look to change as you normally would.
VW promised price party with traditional cars for EV cars over time, in reality they are as cheap to make if not cheaper than normal cars but setting up a production line and supply lines take time and money. That is expensive so it’s being added to the current generation of EV’s with Tesla approaching it’s 4 generation of car, a supposed small car, more for the European market, which tends to favour smaller cars, I expect that price parity to be true.

well before we hit the ice car ban far more options will be available, I will give a small piece of advice That’s a bit contrary to what I said above.

the cost of ownership of an EV can be very low and a lot of that is from the retained value, their second hand value, and the opposite is going to be true for ice cars, and this will only get worse over time this will effect lease prices of both types of cars but in opposite directions. And may catch some people out with ice cars on lease, as lease companies don’t like to lose money, you may find that lease companies for ice cars become more picky at the end of leases and try to bill you for more money, if the secondhand value of the car has fallen more than expected.

this can be seen now but will only get worse over time.
 
I would agree the bigger waste is replacing a perfectly good vehicle for no good reason, those doing next to no mileage a year have little impact on the problem, but I would say if your a person that changes their car every 3 years why not invest in an EV or just lease one, the lease deals are not bad, as long as your not looking at Merc EV’s, and it’s your second hand cars that kick start the second hand markets, the people who buy nearly new to 3 years old cars, they then trickle down to the 6-10 year old second hand market etc etc.

only a small % of car buyers buy/lease new cars, far more but second hand cars.

If you are someone that buys new, and keeps them along time, then just look to change as you normally would.
VW promised price party with traditional cars for EV cars over time, in reality they are as cheap to make if not cheaper than normal cars but setting up a production line and supply lines take time and money. That is expensive so it’s being added to the current generation of EV’s with Tesla approaching it’s 4 generation of car, a supposed small car, more for the European market, which tends to favour smaller cars, I expect that price parity to be true.

well before we hit the ice car ban far more options will be available, I will give a small piece of advice That’s a bit contrary to what I said above.

the cost of ownership of an EV can be very low and a lot of that is from the retained value, their second hand value, and the opposite is going to be true for ice cars, and this will only get worse over time this will effect lease prices of both types of cars but in opposite directions. And may catch some people out with ice cars on lease, as lease companies don’t like to lose money, you may find that lease companies for ice cars become more picky at the end of leases and try to bill you for more money, if the secondhand value of the car has fallen more than expected.

this can be seen now but will only get worse over time.

Watch VW push engined car prices over the next 10 years to keep the price of elec up. There’s no way elec cars are going to get cheaper. They’ll just get more expensive.
 

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