Would you drill into this..........?

[SimonD]

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The flooding happens every year-although it isn't natural. The fields in question will drain within the next 3 days, provided that there isn't more rain (which looks true), and the artificial flood manufacturing (the pumping station) plant doesn't get illegally turned on.

Generally, the crop will be fine, so long as the aforementioned doesn't happen, AND the lapwing & ducks etc don't decide to take up residence & puddle it to hell.

Very glad that we didn't pre-emerge spray, or use pellets.

The other common problem is any chaff/straw accumulating in the low spots once the flood has subsided. Fortunately this year, the wheat is in behind Linseed, so that shouldn't be a problem.

The drill is as expected-which is a huge relief. One factor that I didn't realise, is the slug damage preventing firming wheel. It would appear that the firming wheel presses the seed in so well, that the slugs can't get to either end, so don't have the opportunity to hollow it our....brilliant!



Do you still wish that you had some land like this?

I must come and have a look at your Rape-how are the roots looking?

Happily take some on, would like to increase acreage and possibly do a collaborative effort if opportunities arise.

Rape is looking good if you can look past the volunteers and providing the plants in the WW swath don't get drowned out. Liquid P&N when drilling really gets the crop going and out of the danger zone, I won't grow it without fert from now on. I'd be happy to use a disc rather than a subsoiler drilling method and next year I'll be companion cropping it, must not sure about mixing in the same hopper or broadcasting the CC after drilling but before rolling.

 

[ollie989898]

Thanks Ollie, regular as clockwork here, although we're hopefully getting on top of it. Generally, rightly or wrongly, use manganese at most opportunities, and yes, absolutely to the Fert-only really use liquid AN/AS, although used to melt our own urea, until we stupidly sold our melting plant.....

AN/AS all good. Had the exact same thing happen in 2012, got a guy the other side of Street, when the levels flooded a good portion of some of his land flooded , too. Wheat survived but did not look happy. Provided it isn't sat under water for more than a few days as you say, it normally survives ok.

Might have to do some variable rate fert applications as you try to even up the backward patches without pushing over the stronger bits.

 

[Timbo1080]

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Happily take some on, would like to increase acreage and possibly do a collaborative effort if opportunities arise.

Rape is looking good if you can look past the volunteers and providing the plants in the WW swath don't get drowned out. Liquid P&N when drilling really gets the crop going and out of the danger zone, I won't grow it without fert from now on. I'd be happy to use a disc rather than a subsoiler drilling method and next year I'll be companion cropping it, must not sure about mixing in the same hopper or broadcasting the CC after drilling but before rolling.

There's land that I'd feel the same about - ref. Increasing acreage, and there land like this that is slightly lower down the hierarchy of desire...but we have it, and I try not to complain too much, just make every effort to "stem the tide".

Have you used any graminicide at all since drilling? I can't rate band applied N&P enough (See my pics on another thread a couple of years ago!), although I was pulled up about whether the effect was more due to the P or the N....personally, I don't care. I can get the N on, and supply crop offtake of P, at drilling, and there little difference in cost as opposed to either straight. (But I have buggered around with farm borne trials....just need a few more years' data to see anything worth noting).

Why not (and I'm assuming Berseem), companion crop inter row with the 750a? Alternate coulters...you'll just need a decent hopper divide (oh hang on you've a single metering unit, I think...?), or a second hand stocks & blow into the main hopper airstream....or use the stocks to feed the alternate coulters directly? One pass, cheap upgrade & super easy....?

 

[SimonD]

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There's land that I'd feel the same about - ref. Increasing acreage, and there land like this that is slightly lower down the hierarchy of desire...but we have it, and I try not to complain too much, just make every effort to "stem the tide".

Have you used any graminicide at all since drilling? I can't rate band applied N&P enough (See my pics on another thread a couple of years ago!), although I was pulled up about whether the effect was more due to the P or the N....personally, I don't care. I can get the N on, and supply crop offtake of P, at drilling, and there little difference in cost as opposed to either straight. (But I have buggered around with farm borne trials....just need a few more years' data to see anything worth noting).

Why not (and I'm assuming Berseem), companion crop inter row with the 750a? Alternate coulters...you'll just need a decent hopper divide (oh hang on you've a single metering unit, I think...?), or a second hand stocks & blow into the main hopper airstream....or use the stocks to feed the alternate coulters directly? One pass, cheap upgrade & super easy....?

Trialing some Pfocus from Agrivital and its looking pretty good, glad I spent some time to the liquid fert kit, it makes OSR a lesser risk.
I may get a cheap stocks unit or similar, just nervous about mixing Berseem and rape together and getting bunches of crop types rather than a uniformed crop.

 

[ollie989898]

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Trialing some Pfocus from Agrivital and its looking pretty good, glad I spent some time to the liquid fert kit, it makes OSR a lesser risk.
I may get a cheap stocks unit or similar, just nervous about mixing Berseem and rape together and getting bunches of crop types rather than a uniformed crop.

Use agro-vital stuff from time to time, definitely has it's place but it is all additional spend so I would not use it just anywhere. Very kind to the crop and most of them seem to tank mix ok.

When stuff is looking like this, you know maybe it is time to do something beyond just AN and hoping for the best.

 

[Timbo1080]

Use agro-vital stuff from time to time, definitely has it's place but it is all additional spend so I would not use it just anywhere. Very kind to the crop and most of them seem to tank mix ok.

When stuff is looking like this, you know maybe it is time to do something beyond just AN and hoping for the best.

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Blimey, what has led to the soil looking like that? It looks very sad....was it worked hard?

Today, the flood has subsided - took a little longer than expected, but all looks well. Fortunately, the lapwing & ducks are merrily waddling all over the neighbour's field.

 

[SimonD]

Blimey, what has led to the soil looking like that? It looks very sad....was it worked hard?

Today, the flood has subsided - took a little longer than expected, but all looks well. Fortunately, the lapwing & ducks are merrily waddling all over the neighbour's field.

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Looking good Tim.

 

[ollie989898]

Blimey, what has led to the soil looking like that? It looks very sad....was it worked hard?

Today, the flood has subsided - took a little longer than expected, but all looks well. Fortunately, the lapwing & ducks are merrily waddling all over the neighbour's field.

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Looks good.

Here was mine from a few years ago.

 

[Timbo1080]

Looks good.

Here was mine from a few years ago.

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I thought you were in the high bit, above the swamps! What has become of the crop in the original photos? Is it looking any better?

 

[ollie989898]

I thought you were in the high bit, above the swamps! What has become of the crop in the original photos? Is it looking any better?

Ah the crop in the original photos is from years ago, might have been 2012, was smashed in into land that really did not want to be smashed. I took those two photos I think in April 2013 or thereabouts. We could not get near the stuff until the end of March once the wind has dried the surface out. Nitrogen went on, sprayed with a cocktail of manganese and phosphate, once it looked happier we rolled it. Took a lot of TLC and didn't dare go near it with herbicide but it lived to become a reasonable wholecrop in the end from memory.

 

[parker]

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Trialing some Pfocus from Agrivital and its looking pretty good, glad I spent some time to the liquid fert kit, it makes OSR a lesser risk.
I may get a cheap stocks unit or similar, just nervous about mixing Berseem and rape together and getting bunches of crop types rather than a uniformed crop.

I have fitted another stocks unit to my drill for that same reason, berseem clover companion crop with osr has worked very well far more uniform than trying to mix it myself which is what I did last year

 

[SimonD]

I have fitted another stocks unit to my drill for that same reason, berseem clover companion crop with osr has worked very well far more uniform than trying to mix it myself which is what I did last year

I'm either going to cross drill it with Bersem or broadcast it, I just can't see how I can get an even crop unless using separate hoppers.
I will keep an eye out for a stocks unit as that would be the ideal method of application.

 

[Timbo1080]

Same crop, same place, couple of days ago. Can see it being a little thin in the photo, but pretty pleased that it's come so well after the crack worries and flooding. No pellets, no sprays. Has now had some liquid fertiliser.

Thanks for all your help and advice.

 

[SimonD]

View attachment 494196 Same crop, same place, couple of days ago. Can see it being a little thin in the photo, but pretty pleased that it's come so well after the crack worries and flooding. No pellets, no sprays. Has now had some liquid fertiliser. View attachment 494194 Thanks for all your help and advice.

Looks pretty good Tim.