Would you support a united Ireland?

[alex04w]

Would you like to support the statement that fluency in Irish is now, or ever in the past was a requirement to join the civil service, the public service or the Gardai to give them their rightful title?
I have never seen such a requirement.

An extract from Wikipedia

From the foundation of the Irish Free State in 1922 (see also History of the Republic of Ireland), a degree of proficiency in Irish was required of all those newly appointed to the Civil Service of the Republic of Ireland, including postal workers, tax collectors, agricultural inspectors, Garda Siochana, etc. By law if a Garda was stopped and addressed in Irish he had to respond in Irish as well. Proficiency in just one official language for entrance to the public service was introduced in 1974, in part through the actions of protest organisations like the Language Freedom Movement.

Although the Irish requirement was also dropped for wider public service jobs, Irish remains a required subject of study in all schools within the Republic which receive public money. Those wishing to teach in primary schools in the State must also pass a compulsory examination called Scrúdú Cáilíochta sa Ghaeilge. The need for a pass in Leaving Certificate Irish or English for entry to the Garda Siochana (police) was introduced in September 2005, and recruits are given lessons in the language during their two years of training. The most important official documents of the Irish government must be published in both Irish and English or Irish alone (in accordance with the Official Languages Act 2003, enforced by An Coimisinéir Teanga, the Irish language ombudsman).

 

[Ashtree]

An extract from Wikipedia

From the foundation of the Irish Free State in 1922 (see also History of the Republic of Ireland), a degree of proficiency in Irish was required of all those newly appointed to the Civil Service of the Republic of Ireland, including postal workers, tax collectors, agricultural inspectors, Garda Siochana, etc. By law if a Garda was stopped and addressed in Irish he had to respond in Irish as well. Proficiency in just one official language for entrance to the public service was introduced in 1974, in part through the actions of protest organisations like the Language Freedom Movement.

Although the Irish requirement was also dropped for wider public service jobs, Irish remains a required subject of study in all schools within the Republic which receive public money. Those wishing to teach in primary schools in the State must also pass a compulsory examination called Scrúdú Cáilíochta sa Ghaeilge. The need for a pass in Leaving Certificate Irish or English for entry to the Garda Siochana (police) was introduced in September 2005, and recruits are given lessons in the language during their two years of training. The most important official documents of the Irish government must be published in both Irish and English or Irish alone (in accordance with the Official Languages Act 2003, enforced by An Coimisinéir Teanga, the Irish language ombudsman).

We have Gardai on the streets now of many different nationalities. A Polish lad working with me left only a few months ago to join.
The new head of An Garda Siochana is from your parish, Drew Harris and I doubt very much he has the language. He starts the job next week I think.

Yes, on the teaching front a pass in Irish is required, but it is our heritage and from an education perspective nobody can reasonably object.

 

[The Agrarian]

Yes, on the teaching front a pass in Irish is required, but it is our heritage and from an education perspective nobody can reasonably object.

It's not the heritage of the Scots left on the wrong side of the border in Donegal.

 

[Ashtree]

It's not the heritage of the Scots left on the wrong side of the border in Donegal.

Ah, get up the yard!!
Really clutching at straws now!!!

Even the Orange Order gets its day out in Donegal!

Here, sit back and have a good laugh at yourself. It’s good for the body and mind.

 

[manhill]

A benefit of any union between nations should have the same results as company mergers, eg reduced admin costs, more money going to areas like research, health, defence... the list goes on.
How do small countries like ROI afford all the overheads. What is the proportion of civil service jobs to private? I often wonder and when I've nothing better to do I might research it . At the moment it's easier to post on here and get the sages to come up with answers.

 

[alex04w]

We have Gardai on the streets now of many different nationalities. A Polish lad working with me left only a few months ago to join.
The new head of An Garda Siochana is from your parish, Drew Harris and I doubt very much he has the language. He starts the job next week I think.

Yes, on the teaching front a pass in Irish is required, but it is our heritage and from an education perspective nobody can reasonably object.

Its not heritage - its discrimination against Protestants.

Imagine the outcry if only ulster scots speaking protestants could get government jobs in NI.

 

[The Agrarian]

Ah, get up the yard!!
Really clutching at straws now!!!

Even the Orange Order gets its day out in Donegal!

Here, sit back and have a good laugh at yourself. It’s good for the body and mind.

Yup. That's pretty much the scorn planters expect to be treated with as a minority in a 32 county republic.

Forced education is the favourite way in peacetime of assimilating the enemy, otherwise known as people of different origin. So much for a modern and diverse state. We see what identity Ulster planters would be permitted to have. You've renewed my gratitude for the freedom we all enjoy within the UK. Such a shame really that this is the attitude of the Irish state, because people like @Cowcorn would probably make really good neighbours.

As long as you have the freedom and the right to learn and speak the Irish language, then why else would you feel the need to impose it on planters and their children?

 

[Cowcorn]

Yup. That's pretty much the scorn planters expect to be treated with as a minority in a 32 county republic.

Forced education is the favourite way in peacetime of assimilating the enemy, otherwise known as people of different origin. So much for a modern and diverse state. We see what identity Ulster planters would be permitted to have. You've renewed my gratitude for the freedom we all enjoy within the UK. Such a shame really that this is the attitude of the Irish state, because people like @Cowcorn would probably make really good neighbours.

As long as you have the freedom and the right to learn and speak the Irish language, then why else would you feel the need to impose it on planters and their children?

Ashtree exists to annoy dont rise to the bait.On the subject of the GAA i would say it is primarily a sporting assocation but like all assocations its aims are set by its members It like the the IRFU is a 32 county assocation and most definitely would benefit from more involvement from the unionist community. Arlene Foster to her great credit supported her county in this years football championship . The GAA should belong to everybody unionist or nationalist just like the IRFU.
One other thing occoured this year that gave me great cheer when the head of the Orange Order advised his members residing in the south to vote no in the recent refurundum on you know what. The inclusive shower nearly choked on their lattes after all the only inclusivity the support is that which suits them I raised a toast to him not just because i agreed wholheartedly with him but because he spoke up for his southern members as after all its there country too
Southern politics could do with more input from the scots irish. I would hate to think that Scots irish people living in Donegal felt discrimanated against in this day and age. My late father was very very tight with several scots irish farmers in east donegal during his potato growing years the were frequent visitors to our house during the seventies and at the time the were worried about the IRA s activities . The are still friends of the family and i know one of them is definitely a fan of the southern old age pension!! He says its more genorous.

 

[Ashtree]

Just sayin ........


https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/nov/05/northernireland.henrymcdonald1

 

[alex04w]

Just sayin ........


https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/nov/05/northernireland.henrymcdonald1

An 18 year old article.

However nothing had happened on the issue in those 18 years.

Just saying....

 

[Muck Spreader]

A benefit of any union between nations should have the same results as company mergers, eg reduced admin costs, more money going to areas like research, health, defence... the list goes on.
How do small countries like ROI afford all the overheads. What is the proportion of civil service jobs to private? I often wonder and when I've nothing better to do I might research it . At the moment it's easier to post on here and get the sages to come up with answers.

Try explaining that to the Brexiteers.

 

[manhill]

Try explaining that to the Brexiteers.

I'm thinking along the lines of efficiency savings, the EU doesn't jump out at me as being an efficient organisation really. One thing I'll say in it's favour is how it forces civilised behaviour on some of the new members through financial pressure. Of course, being a long civilised parliamentary democracy we don't need any direction from Brussels.

 

[Muck Spreader]

I'm thinking along the lines of efficiency savings, the EU doesn't jump out at me as being an efficient organisation really. One thing I'll say in it's favour is how it forces civilised behaviour on some of the new members through financial pressure. Of course, being a long civilised parliamentary democracy we don't need any direction from Brussels.

IMO its very difficult to compare governmental efficiency, The EU administers a large, sprawling and very complex bureaucracy but only controls a modest budget of around 140 billion. Compare this to say, the UK government which is comparatively compact and administers a budget of around 900 billion.

 

[wanderer]

I've lived in both Northern and Southern Ireland and the difference between the two is pretty stark. In the south they tend to have a very laid back view of the world and are generally unconcerned about what happens. In the North the people are much more intense and politically minded... religion being a major divide.

My time in Galway and Kerry couldn't have been more different than that spent in Co.Down... but the decision to re-unite has to lay with the whole of Ireland at the ballot box, but like Brexit which ever way it goes there would be trouble from those who lost.

 

[Still Farming]

Wales and Scotland don't worry about borders ?