Wreckers!!

[fiatf130]

Not wanting to get in the way of a popular story, but this would be unlikely.

Each acre would roughly run each kW of the plant for a year, say 8000 hrs uptime. That's 8000 kWh generated. A diesel generator at 50% efficiency (generous) would need 1600l of fuel to do the same (1l = 10kWh content). Is it possible to burn 1600l/ac? Even with sub, the economics are dodgy.

Are these accurate figures as I've done a bit of quick online research and found a paper from a research institute and on a yield of 24.5 ton per ha in a country optimal for growing maize you only get 11050kwh per ha. This equates to 4350kwh per acre roughly half what you quote so diesel use would be 800 l acre.

 

[fiatf130]

Even a fiat stuck in 1st gear wouldn't use that much [emoji23]

No it couldn't not even if it was pulling Clyde's broken down deeres.

 

[Aircooled]

5 mpg isnt far away, we used to haul potatoes quite a distance and it was eye opening how much diesel was used

A tm pulling a load on the flat = 12l/hr
A tm pulling a load up big hill = 30l/hr

 

[Bob lincs]

This one ?View attachment 916552

Same gang , same bit of road this morning .

 

[bobajob]

That does look slippy with all that smeared mud on it....

 

[PostHarvest]

A big contractor that supplies a local AD plant around here openly admits that if he put the fuel he uses into a generator instead of his equipment Growing/ Harvesting and hauling to and from the AD plant then the fuel would actually produce several times more electricity

Some years ago I attended a meeting promoting green energy. Shortly before I had visited a farm in Somerset that was sending "green fuel" to Drax power station in Yorkshire. When I asked how the energy balance worked out as they were using a vast amount of high grade energy (diesel) to produce a modest yield of low grade energy (plant material) the speaker admitted that it was an operation to harvest subsidies and the books didn't balance without government/EU funding.

 

[8100]

Same gang , same bit of road this morning . View attachment 916845

Looks like they have had a buffer on that road not a brush .I would not fancy ridding a motorcycle about those parts

 

[Mouser]

No it couldn't not even if it was pulling Clyde's broken down deeres.

Deeres? Broken down? As if!

 

[fiatf130]

Deeres? Broken down? As if! [emoji848]

Don't kid yourself they all break down.

 

[e3120]

Are these accurate figures as I've done a bit of quick online research and found a paper from a research institute and on a yield of 24.5 ton per ha in a country optimal for growing maize you only get 11050kwh per ha. This equates to 4350kwh per acre roughly half what you quote so diesel use would be 800 l acre.

Well, I don't have the climate for maize, so no direct experience, but I understand the 1ac/kW is a rough rule of thumb, if you grow the crop (maize, beet, rye etc) that suits your (decent) land.

Quick sense check, with numbers for easy sums:-

15t/ac yield @ 33% DM = 5t DM
ME of 11.5 MJ/kg DM=3.2 kWh --> 16000 kWh/ac
So would the plant would need to be 50% efficient to extract 8000. Sounds plausible, especially if some genuine use is made of CHP heat.

I have no strong view on crops for energy, just a numbers

 

[fiatf130]

Well, I don't have the climate for maize, so no direct experience, but I understand the 1ac/kW is a rough rule of thumb, if you grow the crop (maize, beet, rye etc) that suits your (decent) land.

Quick sense check, with numbers for easy sums:-

15t/ac yield @ 33% DM = 5t DM
ME of 11.5 MJ/kg DM=3.2 kWh --> 16000 kWh/ac
So would the plant would need to be 50% efficient to extract 8000. Sounds plausible, especially if some genuine use is made of CHP heat.

I have no strong view on crops for energy, just a numbers

Don't know much about it either but these were the figures I found from a research paper, so should be accurate.

 

[76masseyman]

That does look slippy with all that smeared mud on it....

Quite a few around Lincolnshire getting like it too now. Ridiculous.

 

[Will 1594]

Same gang , same bit of road this morning . View attachment 916845

Bob , just had some one who you will know in yard , , showing me some pics , murrow road ,is just the tip ofbthe ice berg , he said they have had 31 trailers over upto now , and quad in ditch when driver fell a sleep ,
6 chopper gangs and upto 60 trailers running he said

 

[daveydiesel1]

Bob , just had some one who you will know in yard , , showing me some pics , murrow road ,is just the tip ofbthe ice berg , he said they have had 31 trailers over upto now , and quad in ditch when driver fell a sleep ,
6 chopper gangs and upto 60 trailers running he said

31 trailers tipped over???? What sorta lunatics are they? Any1 on here seen porter contracts from ni cuttin maize in england i know they go over there somewhere but not sure where

 

[Will 1594]

31 trailers tipped over???? What sorta lunatics are they? Any1 on here seen porter contracts from ni cuttin maize in england i know they go over there somewhere but not sure where

Come over and have a shot down some of the fen roads , do 50 k with a 18 ton trailer with 20 ton of maize on ,
You will only have one wheel in contact with road , its like been on a roller coaster
We go down a road with pick up and trailer out that way ,and 30 in pick up is fast enough.

 

[8100]

Some of the worst roads in the UK in Lincolnshire without mud and steering wheel attendants of low IQ. I have not ventured on the roads around Linc's much but always felt safer when i was back on the A50 heading home.

 

[serf]

Some years ago I attended a meeting promoting green energy. Shortly before I had visited a farm in Somerset that was sending "green fuel" to Drax power station in Yorkshire. When I asked how the energy balance worked out as they were using a vast amount of high grade energy (diesel) to produce a modest yield of low grade energy (plant material) the speaker admitted that it was an operation to harvest subsidies and the books didn't balance without government/EU funding.

Like most of this so called "green" carp , load of ballhocks!

 

[RAF]

Creating plenty work though aren’t they . Could do with a big digester here tbf

 

[holywell farmer]

Same gang , same bit of road this morning . View attachment 916845

Local police must have somthing today to said contractor if the road gets into that state ?

 

[uztrac]

Some of the worst roads in the UK in Lincolnshire without mud and steering wheel attendants of low IQ. I have not ventured on the roads around Linc's much but always felt safer when i was back on the A50 heading home.

Similar situation here its all happening,maize for the AD plants,Sugar beet & potato lifting & carting.