Wtf EU RED audit.

[nonemouse]

The Ensus plant (when open)seems to mainly uses foreign stock to produce its product, then expects British farmers to buy its waste. They only seem to use our wheat when it is at rock bottom price.

Had a merchant ringing round this week trying to buy to go into ensus early june (yes I have unsold wheat and no i didnt sell)

 

[Ashtree]

More like it's time farmers took back control of the NFU, these days it seems to simply go along & support any directive from government or Red Tractor

Critically and curiously satisfying in a morbid sort of way to have a “convenient” bogeyman!
EU nicely filled that gap for so long. Now it’s gone, gotta find another. That’s right, NFU is a perfect fit. Thrash it....why not?
Best be hoping the plan for its replacement is a tad thought out better, than the plan for Brexit.

 

[Grass And Grain]

Time to get @Danllan on the case. He swears HMG’s government has taken back control, and the people wake up each morning to the sound of the birds singing and “sovereignty”, shining through the window. He won‘t be happy with this....

I don't think it's a Brexit type issue. All countries supplying biofuel or feedstock to the EU need to jump through this hoop.

However, we're often told trade rules prevent us putting environmental type criteria on imports. E.g. in UK we are going to ban urea fert for air quality reasons, therefore we're only going to allow imports if grown to same rules.

Seems as though EU have managed import restrictions, and no-one has batted an eyelid.

 

[DrWazzock]

How does it weed anyone out laundering when such people, if they exist, they will simply make the numbers up the day before their inspection to match what they have! Much like most do with fertiliser and chemical store inventories.... My grain estimates at harvest are pretty unreliable I can easily be a out by a couple of artic loads, if I under estimate it looks like I am selling more than I produce and if I under estimate it looks like I have serious storage problem...

That sums the whole scheme up really. None of the records prove anything really except you are good with a calculator the night before the inspection.
Really it relies on trust, always has done and always will do. Heaping on more and more recording will achieve nothing. Even a fairly dim criminal could make the records right and give a gloss of legitimacy to a very dodgy operation.
I suppose they won’t be satisfied until there is an inspector permanently on site at every farm monitoring every operation. I could actually believe that one day that will happen, the way thing s are going. Easier of course on mega farms.

 

[Tarw Coch]

What’s mass balance?
Sounds like something I should remember from my schoolboy physics lesson but
1. That’s a long time ago now. and
2. I probably wasn’t paying attention anyway

 

[Raider112]

I don't think it's a Brexit type issue. All countries supplying biofuel or feedstock to the EU need to jump through this hoop.

However, we're often told trade rules prevent us putting environmental type criteria on imports. E.g. in UK we are going to ban urea fert for air quality reasons, therefore we're only going to allow imports if grown to same rules.

Seems as though EU have managed import restrictions, and no-one has batted an eyelid.

It's nothing to do with Brexit at all but our Irish friend struggles to post anything without trying to score points on Brexit, a pity as when he does leave it alone he's one of the better posters on here.

 

[chipchap]

Another nail in the coffin of red tractor.

perhaps even the straw to break the camel’s back?

 

[ploughman1963]

Another nail in the coffin of red tractor.

perhaps even the straw to break the camel’s back?

oh, I do hope so!

 

[Flat 10]

Critically and curiously satisfying in a morbid sort of way to have a “convenient” bogeyman!
EU nicely filled that gap for so long. Now it’s gone, gotta find another. That’s right, NFU is a perfect fit. Thrash it....why not?
Best be hoping the plan for its replacement is a tad thought out better, than the plan for Brexit.

So you support the mass balance calculation over a couple of tick boxes US farmers have?

 

[7610 super q]

Another nail in the coffin of red tractor.

perhaps even the straw to break the camel’s back?

Well we keep saying that, but as long as merchants will only take assured grain, I'm stuck with it.
If they come out with something really outrageous like MOT's for drills and fert spreaders, then that will tip the balance for me. Flog it off cheap to livestock farmers ( within reason ), or early retirement.......

 

[MrNoo]

Well we keep saying that, but as long as merchants will only take assured grain, I'm stuck with it.
If they come out with something really outrageous like MOT's for drills and fert spreaders, then that will tip the balance for me. Flog it off cheap to livestock farmers ( within reason ), or early retirement.......

Wake up at the back, fert spreaders should be tested!!!

 

[colhonk]

Surely,demanding to know what stocks you have and amount you sell is not legal?

 

[bobk]

Surely,demanding to know what stocks you have and amount you sell is not legal?

I'm wondering if the seed police aren't involved .

 

[Dave645]

Can somebody explain to me how doing a mass balance on your site guarantees that you haven’t grown biofuels on environmentally sensitive land? Surely all we need to do is declare that we haven’t grown biofuels on environmentally sensitive land.
I’d guess they want a mass balance to help weed out members who are laundering non assured grain through their businesses. If that’s the case they should say so, not hide it behind legislation that’s for something entirely different.

There own paper work said no land in the uk was identified as environmentally sensitive land (grassland).
The new mass balance rule is for RT no one else.

 

[Drillman]

Well I’m not wasting any time on mass balance for rt

if asked I will throw the haulier dockets at the inspector tell them to multiply by 29 for tons gone out on lorries

and they can have a look in grainstore and take a guess at what’s left

I haven’t an on farm weighbridge so there guess be as good as mine.

edit- can’t see how they can fail me on the above as it’s as good as I can get it. And it won’t matter anyway cos by then the scam that is rt will be getting wound down as nothing more than a bad memory for UK agriculture.

 

[Banana Bar]

I WILL put 1 million tons down, I would urge everyone to do the same. Feed bull poop with bull poop

 

[Old apprentice]

That sums the whole scheme up really. None of the records prove anything really except you are good with a calculator the night before the inspection.
Really it relies on trust, always has done and always will do. Heaping on more and more recording will achieve nothing. Even a fairly dim criminal could make the records right and give a gloss of legitimacy to a very dodgy operation.
I suppose they won’t be satisfied until there is an inspector permanently on site at every farm monitoring every operation. I could actually believe that one day that will happen, the way thing s are going. Easier of course on mega farms.

Theye will be having us put cameras up with link so they can watch from there center just keep someone looking at farm to farm. Oh and don't forget we will be paying for it.

 

[solo]

Farmers weekly average yields should cover this job nicely

 

[kiwi pom]

What a load of bollix.View attachment 963846

What do you actually have to do, how long will it take and what will it cost?

 

[DairyGrazing]

US soya producers just need to do a farmer self-declaration. NFU or AHDB should arrange this option for non-RT members.

No auditor required on farm in the US.
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Wouldn't trust some farmers to look after a stray cat let alone to farm responsibly without oversight.

Ran past my neighbour spreading slurry in a field as it was flooding a few months ago.

Look whats happened to the Wye and Severn.